The Enigma Order

Namino wrote:

Draken wrote:

That is pretty much the only viable top dps spec for DKs atm, and even then your 4k dps is low compared to what these guys pull out in naxx. Compare that to the avg dps of ~3-4k of any 2hand spec on the same fights then you start realising just how OP DW frost/unholy is in comparison to all the 2hand specs. So far the highest dps i've seen on that site from a 2hand spec is somewhere around 5.5k whereas the top DW frost/unholy specs pull between 7-9k on some fights.

Before you start comparing how low my dps is compared to those guys, you should propably compare gear. Also some of the top DPS Death knights at the page you posted, seem to be 2h unholy in armory at the moment.

Anyway, Frost DW is pretty much viable top dps build for raiding, i think i proved that already. Unholy DW seems to be abit better (no testing on my side yet), i admit that. But if you look at our WWS report from last 25 man, denatus did pretty good with a Blood spec. I can only imagine what he could do with 2h unholy spec.

Looking at their armory profile helps lots when you could just as well see that the dps recording on that site lists them as having used howling blast, which is deff a frost/unholy spec, especially when they are listed with the unholy icon, then it pretty much means 0/32/39 or something close to that.

As for what i meant with your DPS being low compared to them, then it was just pointing what you have to look forward to with proper gear. I wonder what blizzard will do to offset this disparity though, what with DW being able to do so much more dmg than the 2hand builds. I suppose that the DW specs might gain some pvp viability at the cost of dps while the converse will hold true for 2hand specs.

any chance you could add some "Starter" specs, and where and what to spec doing lvling from 60 > 70> 80, what rotations to use etc?

Seems like howling blast is getting nerfed on the PTR again, to a 5 sec CD according to ghostcrawler.

gah, I really dont like to play with howling blast, nor the DW specs when its on a cooldown. They should find another way of balancing it. :S

Did some testing tonight. Been trying blood in the 10 man naxx and on the dummies(aoe and boss) I got a good feel for how blood will perform and how it scales and how the damage distribution of skills are. I'm not 100% content with blood, it still feels abit lacky, and the insane rotation(IT,PS,HS,HS,OB,IT,PS,HS,HS,HS,HS,(rune-dump)) makes it had to top dps imo. This is even before we take into the consideration on how to AOE as blood(which is terribly complex imo, hehe).

So I got some new weapons, 1handers that is. I decided to try the 0/32/39, and off the bat I was way higher than my honed skills with blood, even with completely wrong glyphs and me as an inexperienced frost player. And, its way more conveinent to play with, less clutter. It simply feels more powerfull, and the numbers quickly showed it. All tho, I'm not a fan of neither frost pve or DW as a DK I'm going to give the 0/32/39 cookie-cutter-top-dps-build a good chance, I have always been to hasty in dismissing its fun-factor(all tho it is not as fun as blood, hehe).

As for unholy 2hand builds, I dont know, rumors has it that it sucks nowdays, good in pvp perhaps.

Last edited by denatus (2009-01-25 05:40:01)

Here's some thoughts around 3.0.8 PVP builds from Nathyrra. (Current nr.1 rated arena player)

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Tried the frost build. We lost rating, but I guess its not that good for 2x DPS teams or in 2v2. Could be much better in 5v5 or 3v3.

Last edited by denatus (2009-01-26 20:34:05)

I guess your right