The Enigma Order

Well, I didn't find any manaprobles what so ever as when you play retri in pve, so didn't add any of the mana reduse glyphs. Divine Protection is a good one and I would go for that one aswell in PVP sins the spelldmg is so massive anyway. Turn Evil is a PVP glyph indeed, but what to change it out with when their eint many benefits from the leftover glyphs that is needed atm. And well, we don't know if it's most spelldmg inc or abit of both in Cata. The stun, you never know;)

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You wrote that one Zenghu, why do you want more dmg to exor and holy shock? And if you want to use it as some lvlup stuff you would then have the talent that makes it cost 75% less

might look something like this

http://wowtal.com/#k=-O1YbZFL.a5o.paladin.q2V_es

Redid my specc:
http://wowtal.com/#k=3km4ilL.a5o.paladin.-2DOX-
Why? I will stack up as much haste I can, how I will do it is to Reforge some of the expertise on my Pants, (that's why I need the expertise glyp), also I will Reforge my plate boots to haste from hit and same with the hit on the neck.
Reason why I changed my mind is that I feel like haste = faster melee attacks, more seal dmg, faster CS, biger chanse on geting a free TV due to faster hits.

I will skip mastery rate for now, but please, if you want to go with the other way, like talent Crit on judge/TV, and go for mastery rate on overcaped stats, JUST DO IT, so we can compare some.

A reminder, as far as I know, you should not destroy your critchanse and change it out with Mastery or haste if you will go under 30%

You shouldnt rush into stacking Haste. The general consensus on the forums is that you should get enough haste to reach the soft cap, or better yet, get enough haste to make your Crusader strike around 3 seconds CD.

The question about talenting Templar's Verdict isnt about mastery for me, its about being our ability dealing the most dmg, higher crit chance the better i supose.

Holypaladin
I will change out/ reforge crit with haste or mastery rate, not sure of one of the 2 atm but think I will end up with mastery, haste eint that needed atm sins WOG, holy shock and beacon will be the top 3 heals, that is instant casts and there is no need for haste here.
The only thing I wonder about now is if haste affect the cd of any spells, then I will go for haste. Anyone got some info about it?

Originally Posted by Ghostcrawler (Source)
Rather than try and address multiple threads, I'm just going to plop our current thoughts in this one post. Please excuse the brevity.

1) We think Fury, Arms, Feral cat and Retribution dps is too low and we will be buffing them.

2) We think mage dps is too high, especially Fire, and will be nerfing it.

3) We think Shadow priest dps is too high, but that's largely a result of Shadow Word: Death spam, which is tough on healers. We'll be fixing that.

4) We think Destro warlock dps is too high, but that's largely a result of Searing Pain spam, which is tough on tanks. We'll be fixing that.

5) As we suspected, PvP dps is just too high given that the health pools of Cataclysm haven't kicked in yet. While competitive PvP is over for the moment, we still want the environment to feel better so we will be buffing resilience. This change might be reverted at level 85.

There will probably be more changes after another night of raiding and BGs. Many of the bug fixes we have made today will affect dps as well. Stay tuned.

Dejavu wrote:

Healing gear; forged all my crit to mastery, sins haste is a "no can do sins it's alrdy there"

With my shitty gear. I reforged some of my crit into haste, and I'm happy. When I get an addon that shows how good that mastery shield is I might pop some haste into mastery. Healed 3 heroics I think and it was fun, and absolutely loved Exorcism spam at bosses, since tanks really don't take that much damage there. Once tank death was close since dps was over eager in AN, and pulled 2 packs at first boss and didn't nuke my web down and the second I got out I got disoriented. LoH saved and healed tank to full hp (56k or so) from 1k. :p

Other than that I'm very happy happy joy joy now.

Last edited by Zenghu (2010-10-14 11:05:44)

Remember, crit don't give any mana back anymore and also it's RNG so I think that's one of the sad stats

Zenghu wrote:

Dejavu wrote:

Remember, crit don't give any mana back anymore and also it's RNG so I think that's one of the sad stats

Yeah, that's why I reforged it down a bit for haste. Gotta go for spirit now with items that has both crit and haste in it.

Tumbs up ,)

I did some more reforging (to items with both CRIT and HASTE). And got my in combat mana regen to 500mp/5 unbuffed. With BoM and trinket it is exactly 700mp/5 in combat. Now I gotta do some heroics to get points for new libram and trinket. :p

Grimbold wrote:

, except when you use Avenging wrath. I do not know yet if HoW becomes first, it might, since it dealsk 30k dmg, and if there's any other changes to the rotation when AW is active. As for zealtory, well takes make the rotation CS>TV>CS>TV... doesnt it?

used around 3 hrs on dummy, and what I found out is.

Go in, CS>Judge>CS>Filler - until you have 3x HP, Use Zealtory and AW, HoW>CS>TV>CS>TV>HoW>CS>TV>HoW, some thing like that, and use a filler spell in between when you got the chanse. Had a great 12.5k burst with some lucky procc + crit on dummy.

TV is the by far greater spell, it proc seal dmg, ToiJ and it also have the chanse to proc a HP atlast when you cast the one you gained from your mastery.