The Enigma Order

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xzar wrote:

http://thottbot.com/beta?sp=23920 ?

which doesn't take spelldmg or modifiers into consideration, so a potensial 5.6k pyroblast crit would most likely just be reflected as a 900-1000 hit.

Last edited by Apox (2006-12-25 23:14:33)

xzar wrote:

http://thottbot.com/beta?sp=23920 ?

Requires: 25 rage, Battle or Defensive Stance, Shiled equipped

25 rage = 2747 dmg taken at lvl 70
Defensive/Battle stance = Loss of all rage except 25, with full Tactical Mastery (assuming the warrior is in berserker stance)
Shield Equiped = 1,5 second global cooldown

I have tried to use this ability and tbh the only scenario where I find it usable is when tanking in an instance. This is when you allready have a shield equipped and enough rage to activate it, but even then its very hard to use.

As for pvp? No wai...

Last edited by Nemus (2006-12-26 00:17:06)

Apox wrote:

I have to agree slightly with that warrior to be honest.... Ok, although you're the squshiest class in the game (non-frost) and also aren't as hard to kill in PvP as Warlocks, Priests and Hunters, >NO< class should EVER be able to instakill someone else at their same lvl who has normal gear, with ONE spell.
Even though it doesn't happen often, it should really not happen at all. I'm not saying nerf mages, but 5.6k pyroblasts? just LOL.

Your claiming that a mage only has to cast pyroblast to 1 shot someone, your wrong...
Though I haven't tried arcane/fire for a long time I'm not sure how hard it would hit for me with my current gear, which has improved a lot since I last had those talents, when/if I would go spec arcane/fire again there would be no way in hell I could get such crits without arcane power therefor AP/pyro counts as 2, often when a mage has AP he also has PoM which he will most likely use with pyro so that makes it 3, technically, he doesn't 1 shot him anyway.
Plus on the top of that it doesn't matter how much +hit you have, your pyroblast will allways have less chance to hit than your fireball and I found that very often it gets resisted, either half the damage or the whole thing.
I can talk to people from his guild on my horde alt in AV so we get that clear, <No guns blazing> if I see him personally, I am definitely going to give him a /rofl in his private because this is just RETARDED, if you don't like it that a mage 1 "crits" you cause you can't even call it 1 hit, go wear your damned FR gear since a frostmage won't be able to do that damage, give it some use once more, instead of pointing this out about my class, go point at soulfire, it crits higher on no +dmg than pyroblast, proven fact...

Besides the common fact that that mage had to have had IMBA gear and buffs to get that shit done!

I'm disappointed Apox, this warrior has NO right whatsoever to complain about the mage class and him dying, it was his own error to misjudge the mages capabilities and not knowing how to defeat the most vulnerable mage around.
I'm taking this personal because this is an insult to me as a mage just because he doesn't know his class he gets to whine about my class or our game being broken, the only thing that is broken is his caps lock button and the giant crack in his ego after his defeat. People like that deserve to be humiliated...

Baloth wrote:

...because he doesn't know his class...

How does him being killed by a single spell prove that he does not know how to play his class? If you were him, what would you have done?

Yeah warriors have a hard time vs any mage really. Frost is just constant snarage, AP POM pyro is just instagib. A decent mage 1v1 wont even let you charge by burning counterspell at the start = no rage = dead. If they burn bloodrage -> zerker charge then its just blink & sheep = dead. But warriors are the laughing stock of 1v1 pvp imo.

Baloth wrote:

what's that mean? that you totally agree with him? cmon, you know better than that, that warrior is a fool

they usually charge me, hit, WW and pretty much can click execute right away, regardless of what options that warrior had, he definitely could've killed that mage with that gear in the same way because I have 2 damage shields and a normal arcane/fire mage has only 1
though I have 2 damage shields, warriors or rogues sometimes even druids can hit quite fast through them

Actually, I do agree with him. When a player can kill another by pressing one single button, i'm thinking about a macro in this case, "damage" has gone out of hand. Whats stopping a monkey from running around owning in pvp if all you have to do is press one button? Yes, i know critting for 5k is not something that happens every day, and that you need a fair bit of gear to make it happen, but imo it should not be possible at all. And your saying the warrior needs to learn to play his class, i'll ask again, what could he have done to prevent getting killed by the 5600 pyroblast with his 5000 hp? And please dont say resistance gear.

The warrior is a fool, I agree, but not for what hes wrinting, but for making the post in the first place. Posts like that leads to nothing but "omg l2p", much like this post

Ohh, and charge+crit+whirlwind crit sounds like around 2500 dmg, guess you dont have that much hp then

Nemus wrote:

Baloth wrote:

what's that mean? that you totally agree with him? cmon, you know better than that, that warrior is a fool

they usually charge me, hit, WW and pretty much can click execute right away, regardless of what options that warrior had, he definitely could've killed that mage with that gear in the same way because I have 2 damage shields and a normal arcane/fire mage has only 1
though I have 2 damage shields, warriors or rogues sometimes even druids can hit quite fast through them

Actually, I do agree with him. When a player can kill another by pressing one single button, i'm thinking about a macro in this case, "damage" has gone out of hand. Whats stopping a monkey from running around owning in pvp if all you have to do is press one button? Yes, i know critting for 5k is not something that happens every day, and that you need a fair bit of gear to make it happen, but imo it should not be possible at all. And your saying the warrior needs to learn to play his class, i'll ask again, what could he have done to prevent getting killed by the 5600 pyroblast with his 5000 hp? And please dont say resistance gear.

The warrior is a fool, I agree, but not for what hes wrinting, but for making the post in the first place. Posts like that leads to nothing but "omg l2p", much like this post

Ohh, and charge+crit+whirlwind crit sounds like around 2500 dmg, guess you dont have that much hp then

I do have more hp than that, happens a lot that a warrior catches me when I don't have damageshields up, pretty much instagibbage but atleast not by 1 spell, quite rarely see MS on me aswell so I can't really explain how a warrior does the trick, but now I'm not that fragile anymore, 4k hp unbuffed ftw

regakek, instant poly is possible with PoM, it's quite an interesting way to use it cause you won't be able to do a lot of damage anymore in a blink of an eye so you still have to use some survivability skills after
I prefer being frost, I get most people down but there's quite a lot that just, outskill me, except those rogues with the cloak thingie, those are nasty

a crap geared mage can easely have less than 2k health at 60. And under many crcumstanses have every one of use critted for over 2k.

I've never crit for 5k
My highest is like 3-3,5k and that was under very special circumstances, dude had zerk buff(10% inc dmg), I had it, fire vurln etc etc

denatus wrote:

I doubt any mage can crit for 4k+ under 100% normal circumstances(no debuff/buffs/flasks etc).

agree