The Enigma Order

rox

An optimal group could be:
- Retri pala
- Shadow priest
- Shaman
- Oomkin
- Surge priest

The problem with this group is that you "waste" the buffs abit. the oomkin could give 5% crit to a pure caster group. The shadow priest could give mana regen to the pure caster group. It would be optimal for the surge priest, not the rest of the crew. As the retri pala prolly want a melee group too, to optimize his dps, as he is melee mostly.

However, it would be fun to see how a surge priest would do in a raid, its really hard to judge a surge priest unless he goes all out dps the entire raid. This would give us some measurement on how it can perform.

Do not gimp the raid with putting the surge priest with an oomkin.

Like Windir (yes you are still windir in my eyes) says, a surge priest will prolly have to heal on bosses.

However, I don`t see where a surge priest can fit in on sunwell though, check brutallus for example, no room for a surge priest there, you need the best damn healers you got, + the best damn DPS.

So not to be negative, but a surge priest can be useful for several instances, but not in the long run imho.

On Reliquary it can be useful, but not super important, on P1 there is no healing at all, so everyone dpses (except for shields on tanks). P2 you need the healing, in p3 you also need the healing, and I can only say for myself, but I would rather take a full disc priest instead, for the utility it gives (imp spirit anyone?)

Hm, short thing about surge of light, this is without any concern about haste, which would give even worse numbers. DPS thinking only here...(taken from the thread above), which I havent really thought about that much.

But with surge of light, you get a instant smite. Smite 2 sec cast, instant = 1.5 sec cast(global cooldown). So according to the thread, surge of light only gives the priest a 6% dps gain :S This is without concern to spellhaste, if we start looking at spell haste the gain would be less and less, and with 100% spell haste you would gain 0.

Ofc smite alone is nice dmg

Pretty grim reading in that EJ thread. Oh well, I'll just surge elementals in SMV and spec sahdow for raids ;(
Would be fun to try the high end potential of the spec though, and no matter how good it works in raids, it's still the greatest build for the greatest class.

Obscure wrote:

so the Surge of Light talent is useless if I get spellhaste? Interresting. The build will need a new name though..

and to the dude a couple of posts up who talk about sunwell when he knows perfectly well we are in BT:

Obscure wrote:

I really enjoy this build and have intentions of trying it in raids at least a couple of times more (probably not progression raids, but who knows).

with the speed you guys have, you will clear bt in about 2-3 weeks (the TEO way).

Also, the dude does speak truth, and you know it.

Its a nice specc for soloing and 5 man groups, too bad it sucks in raid, but then again, thats WoW in a nutshell.

The first talent points I took when leveling from 60 to 70 was Surge of Light. It was bugged at the time so the smite had mana cost, but could crit and proc a new surge. Was really fun to get 2-3 procs in a row. That is, however, my only experience with anything outside a pure healing build.

I now have about 900 holy spell damage in my grinding gear and have little problems grinding the mobs I need to grind for quests. Holy fire, dots and a smite or two. Wand the rest. If I want to grind for anything else I pick my Mage or Hunter.

denatus wrote:

But with surge of light, you get a instant smite. Smite 2 sec cast, instant = 1.5 sec cast(global cooldown). So according to the thread, surge of light only gives the priest a 6% dps gain :S This is without concern to spell haste, if we start looking at spell haste the gain would be less and less, and with 100% spell haste you would gain 0.

Is a 6% dps increase for 2 talent points really that bad? With spell haste the global cooldown is also reduced. The extra 6% dps will be maintained as long as you have a global cooldown. There will be no partial reduction. The dps increase will not be reduced until the global cooldown is 0 seconds, but is that even possible? Even then, the reduction in mana usage is a benefit not to be taken lightly.