The Enigma Order

I'lll post my findings after tonight's raid. Can't really test sub without a raid. Combat so far on dummies seems really shit. No eviscerate anymore, can barely keep up SnD + Rupture

My DPS on hc dummie is arounf 5-6k (combat - no regemming nor enchants). Really shitty. All Iv read on Combat spec is that it is awefull. Big QQ from me.

This is my findings from wow forums/EJ/random boards:

Part 1: Rogue Specs.



Quick Spec Rundown

A more detailed Assassination guide can be found here:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa … &sid=1

Mut: Good. http://cata.wowhead.com/talent#fcIfzsMdoGo0bZ0h (Deadly Brew as Filler, Quickening as Filler)
Combat: Bad. http://cata.wowhead.com/talent#f0bZcGfcocbRGo0h (Blade Twisting as Filler, Improved Sprint as filler)
Sub: Bugged but potentially Best. http://cata.wowhead.com/talent#f0hZ0bZcGcsdu0RGo (Initiative as Filler, Still determining whether Lethality is better than Coup De Grace) HAT and Hemo Bleed is currently bugged but should be fixed by 14/10/10

Also still determining if 3/3 Precision 2/3 Lethality is better/worse than 2/3, 3/3. If you're having difficulty getting hit cap go 3/3 Precision.

Glyphs:

Mut: Mutilate/Backstab/Rupture, Sprint/Anything/Anything, Safefall/Anything/Anything
Combat: Sinister Strike/Adrenaline Rush/Rupture, Sprint/Blade Flurry/Anything, Safefall/Anything/Anything
Sub: Backstab/Evis/Hemo, Sprint/Prep/Anything, Safefall/Anything/Anything

Weapons
Mut:1.8/1.4 Dagger/Dagger, IP/DP
Combat: 2.6/1.4 Sword or Mace or Axe or Fist/Dagger, 4k+GS IP/DP <4KGS WP/DP. A 1.5 second Offhand is better than a 1.4 IF it is 1 or more ilvl tier/s higher.
Sub: 1.8/1.4 Dagger/Dagger, IP/DP. A 1.5 second Offhand is better than a 1.4 IF it is 1 or more ilvl tier/s higher.

Rotations:

Mut: (Leaving Stealth) Garotte, Slice and Dice. (In combat) 4+ Mutilate, Envenom, 4+ Mutilate, Rupture. Maintain Rupture refreshing at less than 8 seconds remaining. In between ruptures there SHOULD be 2 4+ Mutilate, Envenom cycles, if you get lucky with Energy gain possibly 3.
Sub 35% Maintain Rupture with 4+ Backstabs, 4+ Backstab, Envenom (There should be 4-5 envenom cycles between rupture cycles).

Combat: High Rupture Cycle. Use RvS when SS takes you to 4 Combo Points ONLY and ONLY for Eviscerate or Rupture (it doesn't affect SnD or Kidney Shot). Maintain SnD.

Sub: (In stealth) Premeditation, Recuperate. (Leaving Stealth) Garrote, Hemo, Backstab, Slice and Dice, Backstab 5xRupture (In combat) Maintain Hemorrhage, maintain SnD and Recuperate with 5cp, 5cp Eviscerates when not refreshing SnD or Recuperate (Eviscerate will refresh rupture). Backstab should be used as CP generator UNLESS Hemorrhage is not applied on your target. Vanish on cooldown and replace 2-3 Backstabs with 1 Ambush. (During Shadow Dance) Ambush, Allow energy to pool while HAT adds Combo Points, Use 5xFinisher depending on what is needed. Repeat until Sdance fades.



Part 2: Caps and Stats!



Hit (Hard) Cap (Altered by Precision):
3/3 precision:646
2/3 precision:707
1/3 precision:769
0/3 precision:830

Hit (Soft) Cap (Altered by Precision):
3/3: 289
2/3: 342
1/3: 394
0/3: 446

Expertise Cap: 200 (177 for gnomes)

Haste caps at ~2300 rating and is the best stat behind Agility, Spell hit and Expertise since it now effects energy regen.

EP Values:
Stat Assass. Combat
Agi 2.8 2.88
Crit 1.4 1.62
Spell Hit 3.1 2.38
White Hit 1.7 1.69
Expertise 2.6 2.20
Haste 2.2 2.25
Mastery 1.7 0.60

Sub's not been done yet but Agi>Spell Hit>Expertise>Haste and then it's either White hit or Mastery.



Part 3: Gems, Enchants and Reforging!



Enchants:
Follow EP Table above for Armor enchantments.
Weapons should be enchanted with Mongoose/Mongoose regardless of spec.
Engineering item enhancements are no longer enchants and are IN ADDITION TO rather than instead of normal item enchants.

Gems:
Red: Agility
Blue: Agility/Hit
Yellow: Agility/Haste
Meta: 21 Agility & 3% Increased Critical Strike Damage

Subtlety: Gem for Meta (relentless) and then gem all 20 agility unless you must only replace one socket in which case if blue bonus must be 8agi if yellow bonus must be 6 agi.

Only gem for socket bonuses if they give:
4+ agility while there is only 1 non-red socket.
6+ agility while there are 2 non-red sockets and at least one is yellow and any additional sockets are red.
8+ agility while there are 2 blue sockets and there is an additional socket and it is red.
8+ agility while there are 3 yellow sockets.
Otherwise go full 20 agi.

Reforging:

Before reforging configure your gems as above.
Following this Reforge crit into Expertise on items that ALREADY HAVE HASTE until you reach the cap.
Do the same with Hit.
Now, you will probably have Soft cap for hit and exp cap and still have a few Crit/Haste items already lying around, turn as much of the crit on those items into hit/mastery depending on spec and preferences.
On items with crit but not haste turn Crit INTO haste (this will largely be your trinkets and the odd bit of gear with Crit/Exp or Crit/Hit)

Mastery is USELESS for Combat, EQUAL to hit as Assassination and POSSIBLY better as Subtlety spec (impossible to determine until HAT is fixed)

Reasoning Behind Reforging:

You cannot reforge a stat on an item if the stat you want to forge it to already exists. Haste is the best stat that can be reforged aside from Spell Hit (which is easy to cap) and Crit is the worst stat which can be reforged.

Therefore you want to maximise the amount of Crit that is turned into useful stats. If an item already has Haste (in additon to that icky crit) you want to change that crit into Spell Hit since it can't be made into Haste.

There is no point wasting the crit (on an item with just crit) on reforging it into Spell hit (which although it has higher EP is easy to cap) when it could be better used on haste since haste is far harder to obtain than hit.



Part 4: Items.



Your best bet at the moment is to use whatever item has the most Agility and Haste for that slot.

HWT is right up there for all specs at the moment, DV/DC is also suprisingly powerful now.



Part 5: FAQ

Q. What's up with poisons? A. They're Working as Intended as far as anyone knows, they now scale with player level and can still be bought from poison vendors.
Q. What's up with glyphs? A. You now only need to buy a glyph once to use it. To replace glyphs you've already learned you need to buy Vanishing powder from the Inscription vendor

Yeah baby yeah?

Hunters and rogues seam to share energy and not-so-good (red: downright bad) condition. No worries, we'll get them soon enough.

Everyone is saying combat is bad atm and that it prolly is, so I'll just focus on testing sub next then

My mutilate dps was like 7,5k in voa yesterday but with baaad gemming. Could perhaps get to 8k with proper gems and enchants.

I think combat spec will improve as you lvl towards lvl85.
Good thing that we got dual spec. Allso our raids needs the combat spec buff 'Savage Combat'

Last edited by Daggor (2010-10-15 13:19:47)

What spec will you rogues choose for leveling? or gear?

I planned to level as subtlety with full lvl 80 pvp gear and have another spec for instances, mutilate for that matter.

Last edited by Lydo (2010-10-22 12:47:39)

johnreaper wrote:

yeah same lydo... allthough ill be making a 5 man gr and lvl though inst. its very fast and gives good loot / Gold and you get to know the macannics well.

JR

INV!!1

I'm probably going to level as muti, since it's annoying to get behind mobs all the time in order to backstab. I'm just going to quest my way through. Not sure yet which character first, but I'm going to enjoy all of the new content. So no hurry from my side!

not sure its absolutly faster to lvl that way, but it gives experince from inst. and its gives guild points so overall i think this will be the way t go and yeah en spec sub, for non inst lvl, and mute for inst thats is what ill be goin with.

sub for inproved recup. should be nice for lvl.