The Enigma Order

From the lastest patch, here the Death Knight changes so far (Talents):

(they also have a new spell called Obliterate apparently)

Death Knight
Blood
- Bladed Armor: Moved to tier 0.
- Deflection: Replaced by Forceful Deflection.
- (NEW) Forceful Deflection: Increases your Parry chance by 1/2/3/4/5% as your attack power increases.
- Subversion: Moved to tier 1.
- Spell Deflection: Now requires Forceful Deflection, new effect: You have a chance equal to your Parry chance of taking 10/20/30% less damage from a direct damage spell.
- Vendetta: Healing effect reduced to 3/6% from 5/10%.
- Blade Barrier: Reduced duration to 8 sec from 15 sec.
- Blood Rune Mastery: Moved to tier 5, now has a 10/20/30% chance to activate. (Same conditions.)
- (NEW) Infested Corpse: Tier 6, effect: When an enemy that grants experience or honor dies while suffering from one of your diseases, its corpse has a 10/20/30% chance of producing 1 Blood Worm. Blood Worms attack your enemies, healing you for the amount of damage they deal for 15 sec or until killed.
- Blood Aura: Moved to tier 7.
- Will of the Necropolis: Now increases total by 10/20/30% up from 5/10/15%.
- Vicious Strikes: Now also increases the critical strike damage bonus of Obliterate ability but no longer increases critical damage bonus from Heart Strike.
- Heart Strike: Changed to "Next melee attack", now lower the target's total health by 20%, up to 3000, for 30 sec.
- Blood Gorged: Reduced damage bonus to 2/4/6/8/10% from 3/6/9/12/15%.

Unholy
- Unholy Command: Reduce the cooldown of the Blood Boil ability by 2/4 sec from 1/2 sec.
- Lichborne: Reduced cooldown to 5 min, was 15 min.
- On a Pale Horse: Additionnal rank, now reduce the duration of all Stun and Fear effects used on the Death Knight by 10/20% and increase mounted speed by 10/20%. (Any mounts.)
- Ferocious Dead: Now also cause Death Pact to grant a heal over time effect for 15 sec equal to 50/100/150% of the amount healed.
- Dirge: Moved to tier 3, new effect: Your Plague Strike, Degeneration, Raise Dead and Summon Gargoyle generate 50/100/150% more additional runic power.
- Shadow of Death: Moved to tier 3, no longer require Ferocious Dead as a prerequiste.
- Improved Corpse Explosion: Moved to tier 4.
- Unholy Rune Mastery: Moved to tier 4.
- Bone Armor: Moved to tier 5.
- Magic Domination: Removed and replaced by Anti-Magic Zone.
- (NEW) Anti-Magic Zone: Cost 1 Unholy, 20 yd range, instant, 2 min cooldown, effect: Places a large, static Anti-Magic Zone which can protect any party members inside it. The Anti_Magic Zone absorbs 75% of the damage dealt by the next harmful spell. Absorbs up to 10000 damage.
- Crypt Fever: Effect reduced to 1/2/3% per disease from 2/4/6%.
- Unholy Aura: Moved to tier 7.
- (NEW) Ebon Plaguebringer: Tier 8, effect: Whenever an enemy is infected by a stack of 3 of your diseases, they also become infected by Ebon Plague, which increases their vulnerability to magic damage by 3/6/9/12/15% for 15 sec.

Frost
- Improved Icy Touch: New effect: Increases the damage done by your Icy Touch spell by 5/10%.
- Glacier Rot: Moved to tier 0, no longer increases damage done by Hungering Cold.
- Black Ice: Effect increased to 2/4/6/8/10%.
- (NEW) Icy Talons: Tier 2, requires Improved Icy Touch, effect: You leech heat from targets of your Icy Touch, so that when their melee, ranged and casting speed are reduced, yours speed up by 3/6/9/12/15% for the next 20 sec.
- (NEW) Blood of Icewater: Increases your chance to get a critical strike with spells by 1/2/3/4/5%.
- Nerves of Cold Steel: New effect: Increases your chance to hit with one-handed melee weapons by 1/2/3%.
- Chromatic Rune Mastery: Renamed to Death Rune Mastery. Effect last until the Death Rune is used.
- Chillbanes: Renamed to Chilling Focus. Runic power generated reduced to 25/50/75% from 50/100/150%.
- (NEW) Killing Machine: Tier 3, effect: After landing a melee critical strike, there is a 20/40/60/80/100% chance your next Icy Touch, Mind Freeze or Howling Blast spell will be a critical strike.
- Deathchill: New effect: When activated, increases your critical strike chance with Frost spells by 100% for the next 6 sec.
- Permafrost: Renamed to Chilblains.
- Frigid Dreadplate: Moved to tier 5. New effect: Enemies who hit you in melee have 5/10/15% chance to become unsettled, decreasing their attack speed by 50% for the next 3 swings.
- Frost Rune Mastery: Moved to tier 5, listed % chance is now 25%.
- Howling Blast: Reduced cost to 1 Frost rune, 1 min cooldown, new effect: Blast the target with a frigid wind dealing 719 to 781 Frost damage to all enemies within 10 yards. Deals triple damage to frozen targets.
- Midnight Sun: Removed, replaced by Unbreakable Armor.
- (NEW) Unbreakable Armor: Tier 6, effect: Whenever you use a Frost Rune, you have a 5/10/15% chance of increasing your armor by 30% and your Parry chance by 30% for 10 sec.
- Merciless Combat: New effect: Your Frost attacks do an additionnal 20/40/60% damage when striking targets with less than 20% health.
- Frost Aura: Moved to tier 7.
- Frost Strike: Chance to freeze target is 30%.
- Chill of the Grave: Now increases critical strike damage bonus of the Obliterate abilities by 10/20/30/40/50% but no longer affect Icy Touch.
- Tundra Stalker: No longer increases damage done if the target is afflicted by Howling Blast.
- Hungering Cold: 1 min cooldown, no longer act as a cone-shaped area, instead it cause damage all around the Death Knight within 10 yards. Preventing them from performing any action for 2 sec per 10 runic power. Enemies are considered frozen, but any damage will break the ice.

Other class changes:

Warlock

Affliction
- Eradication: Now increases spell casting by 20% (was 1/2/3%) for 8 sec.
- Death's Embrance: No longer increases the critical strike chance of the Haunt spell, instead increases the critical strike chance of the Shadowburn spell.
- Devastate: Removed, replaced by Cripple.
- (NEW) Cripple: Instant cast, no cooldown, cost 8% base mana, 30 yd range, effect: Cripples the target, reducing movement speed by 75%, pacifying and silencing the target. Cripple causes the target to be immune to physical attacks, but still be vulnerable to spells. Lasts 20 sec. Only 1 target can be crippled at a time.

Destruction
- Decimate: Removed and replaced by Chaos Bolt.
- (NEW) Chaos Bolt: Rank 1 (lvl 60), Cost 715 Mana, 30 yd range, Instant Cast, 8 sec cooldown, effect: Sends a bolt of Chaotic Fire at the enemy, dealing 990to 1256 Fire damage. Chaos Bolt cannot be resisted, and pierces trough absorption and immunity mechanics.

Priest

Discipline
- Penance: New range: 30 yd range for enemy, 40 yd range for friendly.

Holy
- Improved Holy Concentration: Increases the chance you'll enter Holy Concentration by 4/8/12% and also increases spell haste by 20/40/60% for 20 sec, after the Priest gain Holy Concentration.

Shadow
- Improved Shadow Form: Chance to avoid interruption while in Shadowform by 50/100%. Was 25/50%.
- (NEW) Pain and Suffering: Tier 9, Your Mind Flay has a 33/66/100% chance to refresh the duration of your Shadow Word: Pain on the target, and reduces the damage you take from your own Shadow Word: Death by 20/40/60%.
- (NEW) Twisted Faith: Tier 10, effect: Increases your Shadow damage by up to 6/12/18/24/30% of your total Spirit, and your damage done by your Mind Flay and Mind Blast is increased by 1/2/3/4/5% for each of your Shadow damage over time effects on the target.

Druid

Balance
- Moonkin Form: Armor contribution from is increased to 400% from 360%.
- Improved Moonkin Form: Haste bonus reduced to 20%. Duration increased to 10 sec.
- Owlkin Frenzy: Spell haste bonus removed, instead will increase damage done by 10/20/30%. Also cause the Moonkin to be immune to pushback while casting Balance spells.
- Nature's Fury: New effect: Your Wrath and Starfire spells have a 20/40/60/80/100% chance of applying the Nature's Fury debuff on the target. The Nature's Fury debuff increases Nature and Arcane damage done to the target by 2/4/6%. Lasts 12 sec. Stacks up to 3 times. No longer convert bonus healing into spell damage.

Feral Combat
- Nurturing Instinct: Increased healing from Agility lowered to 35/70%. Was 50/100%.
- Reinforced Hide: Removed, replaced by King of the Jungle.
- King of the Jungle: While Enraged in Bear form or Dire Bear form, your damage is increased by 5/10/15%, and your Tiger's Fury ability also instantly restores 20/40/60 energy.
- Infected Wounds: Moved to tier 8. No longer reduce casting speed, now reduce attack speed instead.
- Primal Aggression: Moved to tier 9. New effect: Increases damage done by your Maul and Shred attacks on bleeding targets by 2/4/6%, and increases the critical strike chance of your Ferocious Bite aiblity on bleeding targets by 10/20/30/40/50%.
- Berserk: New effect: Reduces the energy cost of your Cat form abilities by 50% while in Cat form, and increases your total health by 100% and causes your Mangle (Bear) and Maul abilities to hit up to 3 maximum targets while in Bear form or Dire Bear form. Berserk instantly clears all effects which cause loss of control of your character, and makes you immune to them for the duraiton.

Restoration
- Improved Tranquility: Reduces threat caused by Tranquility by 50/100% and reduces the cooldown by 30/60%.
- Empowered Touch: Your Healing Touch spell gains an additionnal 20/40% of your bonus healing effects. (Was 10/20%.)
- Living Seed: Moved to tier 7. Increased chance to plant a Living Seed on the target to 33/66/100%. Living Seed effect increased to 30% of the amount healed. (Was 15%.)

omg those warlock changes will NEVER make it live to bad though would be fun to zomgwtfpwn ppl for a short period until NERFBAT HO! :p

Apox wrote:

- (NEW) Cripple: Instant cast, no cooldown, cost 8% base mana, 30 yd range, effect: Cripples the target, reducing movement speed by 75%, pacifying and silencing the target. Cripple causes the target to be immune to physical attacks, but still be vulnerable to spells. Lasts 20 sec. Only 1 target can be crippled at a time.

They should rename this spell to "Bend over".

I hope they just forgot to add the finishing line "the cripple effect breaks if anything damages the recipient, as the recipient is shaken out of the spell"

true.. but at 8% base mana.. and if it disappears as soon as you take damage. But imagine the amount of CC on the arenas about that. CCing that healer druid ftw, eh...

Look at the shaman talents = imba =O

Omg i missed the rogue talents site is down

Enhancement:

Enhancing Totems - Moved to Tier 0
Improved Lightning Shield - Moved to Tier 0, increases Earth Shield/Water Shield effect by 5%
Astral Knowledge - Now 3 Points - 2% Intellect Per Point
Shield Spec - Now 2 points, same effect
Guardian Totems - No change
Thundering Strikes - No change
Imp. Ghost Wolf - No change
Mental Dexterity -  Increases AP by 33%/66%/100% of Intellect (Bloodlust icon, tier 2)
Shamanistic Focus - No change
Anticipation - No change
Flurry - No change
Toughness - No change
Improved Weapon Totems - No change
Spirit Weapons - No change
Elemental Weapons - No change
Mental Quickness - No change
Weapon Mastery - No change
Duel Wield Spec - No change
Duel Wield - No change
Stormstrike - No change
Improved Stormstrike - Increases the amount of Stormstrike charges by 1/2, and reduces the cooldown by 1/2 seconds.
Unleashed Rage - No change
Static Shock - 3 points - You have a 2%/4%/6% chance to hit your target with a lightning shield orb charge when you do damage, and increases your number of charges of your lightning shields by 1/2/3.
Shamanistic Rage - No change
Improved Shamanistic Rage - 2 points - When under the effects of Shamanistic Rage, you have a 50%/100% chance to be cause you to be immune to all stun, snare, and movement impairing effects.
Weapon Specialization -
Axe - Increases the critical strike damage bonus by 5%/10%/15%/20%/25%.
Mace - Has a 1%/2%/3%/4%/5% chance to increase your melee haste by 10% for 15 seconds.
First - Attacks from your fist weapons have a 1%/2%/3%/4%/5% chance to reduce the armor of your target by 20% for 6 seconds.

Restoration:
mproved Healing Wave - No change
Tidal Focus - No change
Improved Reincarnation - No change
Ancestral Healing - No change
Totemic Focus - No change
Nature's Guidance - No change
Healing Focus - Now 3 points, 23%/46%/70%
Totemic Mastery - No change
Healing Grace - No change
Restorative Totems - No change
Tidal Mastery - No change
Healing Way - No change
Nature's Swiftness - No change
Focused Mind - No change
Purification - No change
Cleanse Spirit - Requires Purification - 186 mana - 40 yd range - cleanse the spirit of a friendly target, removing 1 poison effect, 1 disease, and 1 curse effect.
Mana Tide Totem - No change
Nature's Guardian - No change
Blessing of the Eternals (35 points in Restoration) - 2 points -  Increases the critical effect chance of your spells by 2%/4% and increases the bonus healing from your Earthliving Weapon by 5%/10%.
Improved Chain Heal - No change
Nature's Blessing - No change
Ancestral Awakening - Requires 40 Points - 3 points - When you critically heal with your healing wave or lesser healing wave, you summon an ancestral spirit to aid you, instantly healing the lowest target within 40yds for 20%/40%/60% of the amount healed.
Earth Shield - No change
Improved Earth Shield - 2 Points - (40 points in resto) - Increases charges by 1/2, and amount healed by 5%/10%
Tidal Waves - 5 points (45 points in resto) - Increases the critical effect chance of your lesser healing wave and healing wave spells by 1%/2%/3%/4%/5% and your healing wave and lesser healing wave spells gain an additional 5%/10%/15%/20%/25% of your bonus healing effects.

Spirit Link:
372 Mana   -   40 yd range
Instance Cast
You link the friendly target with two nearby targets, causing 50% of the damage taken to be distributed to the linked targets. After 2200 damage, the link will sever.

Elemental:
Earth's Grasp - Moved to Tier 0
Convection - Now 3 points - 4%/8%/12% (Not too sure on the last 2)
Concussion - Includes Lava Burst and Thunder
Call of Flame - Increase Lava Burst by 2%/4%/6%
Elemental Warding - No change
Elemental Devastation - Now on Tier 1
Call of Thunder - Includes Thunder
Elemental Focus - Now includes lesser healing wave and healing wave (zomfg!!!)
Reverberation - No change
Improved Fire Nova totem - 50%/100% chance to stun for 2 seconds
Eye of the Storm - No change
Unrelenting Storm - No change
Elemental Fury - No change
Storm Reach - 10%/20% radius on Thunder
Elemental Precision - No Change
Lightning Mastery - No change
Elemental Mastery - No change
Elemental Shields - No change
Lightning Overload - No change
Elemental Oath - (35 points in elemental) Needs Elemental Mastery - Spell hit is increased by 50%/100% while elemental mastery or elemental focus is active.
Astral Shift - (40 points in elemental) 3 points - When you are critically hit twice in a row, you have a 33%/66%/100% chance to shift into the  atral plane, causing you to be immune to all physical damage for 3 seconds. This effect has a 30 second cooldown.
Totem of Wrath - No change
Lava Flow - (40 points in elemental) 3 points - Increase the amount of spell damage gained while having flametongue weapon equipped by 5%/10%/15% and increases the damage done by your flame shock and lava burst by 4%/8%/12%
Storm, Earth, and Fire - (45 Points in elemental) 5 points - Your frost shock has a 5%/10%/15%/20%/25% chance to root the target in frozen ice for 2 seconds, your earthshocks range is increased by 1/2/3/4/5 yards, and your periodic damage done by flame shock is increased by 20%/40%/60%/80%/100%.

Thunder:
Instant - 45 second cooldown
You call down a bolt of lighting, energizing you and damaging nearby enemies within 10 yards. Restores 5% mana to you and deals 595 to 679 nature damage to all nearby enemies, knocking them back 200 yards.

Spell 51490
Name: Thunder
Description: You call down a bolt of lightning, energizing you and damaging nearby enemies within $a1 yards. Restores 5% mana to you and deals 595 Nature damage to all nearby enemies, knocking them back 200 yards.
Description2:

wuhu... instant kill in AB (off Lumbermill cliff), instant kill in netherstorm (off the face of the earth), slow death in lava areas only 45 sec. CD as well.

those rogue things look sweet too, .. shadow dance.. stab vanish stab vanish stab vanish stab again... pretty dead I'd say

its gonna be sweet trying the Unholy/frost specc in arena ... frost seems to be the aoe/tanking tree yeah?

all this really makes me wanna lvl all my lvl 70's to 80

the last feral talent really screams "wannabe BM hunter" it as all the same effects, not very inventive on Blizzards side I must say

Last edited by Palma (2008-06-20 19:08:50)

very funny, I almost laughted. Especially considering that the comment comes from a confused person like yourself I mean for the love of god, you dont even know which country your from, at least I do   ... but it doesn't matter, why does every freaking thread end up discussing if I'm stupid or not? I mean really? Its not the point. this for example, is about Expansion content yes?, stick to the topic please!

When I made those comments about some of the abilities I made them because that is what I think and if you think about it, that spell/ability has the same effect as Beast within, you become immune to all dots and fear and all that, just like beast within, hence a wannabe, as beast within was there first.

Last edited by Palma (2008-06-22 06:10:46)

thats beside the point, its still the same as BW. Maybe it would be better if it was a feral talent, could be very useful that way:) But it doesn't matter from my own point of wiew as I'm only interrested in what happens on the DK front. Ofcourse its nice to see how other classes are gonna look. I hope they make the hunter tree soon, I'm curious as to what will be below beast within for example, all great fun:)

as they make a new class, the raid spots for each class are gonna get smaller and smaller, poor rogues and hunters . Many guilds now use what? 1-2 rogues? to make room for the DK's someone has to make way and its not gonna be a healer, thats for sure and you need what... 2 hunters for pulling (MD rotation)? wonder how its gonna look.

2-3 tanks (mostly warriors and palas)
7-8 healers
14-15 dps
of which will be:
7-8 ranged (casters + hunters)
6-7 melee (feral druid/s for offtanking in some cases)

if we say there is 1 feral druid, that leaves: 5-6 spots for: rogues, dps warriors, death knights (not tanking specced), you could have 2 of each to be fair to all, but then again, it depends on the setup needed.

maybe you wont need so many healers for all the fights, and you can switch one of those for a caster or melee dps but as I said, the raid selection competision for some classes (like dps warriors and rogues) are gonna be tighter than ever.

maybe they should make the raid instances in wotlk 30 man or something, since they bring in a new class n all.

Palma wrote:

thats beside the point, its still the same as BW. Maybe it would be better if it was a feral talent, could be very useful that way:) But it doesn't matter from my own point of wiew as I'm only interrested in what happens on the DK front. Ofcourse its nice to see how other classes are gonna look. I hope they make the hunter tree soon, I'm curious as to what will be below beast within for example, all great fun:)

as they make a new class, the raid spots for each class are gonna get smaller and smaller, poor rogues and hunters . Many guilds now use what? 1-2 rogues? to make room for the DK's someone has to make way and its not gonna be a healer, thats for sure and you need what... 2 hunters for pulling (MD rotation)? wonder how its gonna look.

2-3 tanks (mostly warriors and palas)
7-8 healers
14-15 dps
of which will be:
7-8 ranged (casters + hunters)
6-7 melee (feral druid/s for offtanking in some cases)

if we say there is 1 feral druid, that leaves: 5-6 spots for: rogues, dps warriors, death knights (not tanking specced), you could have 2 of each to be fair to all, but then again, it depends on the setup needed.

maybe you wont need so many healers for all the fights, and you can switch one of those for a caster or melee dps but as I said, the raid selection competision for some classes (like dps warriors and rogues) are gonna be tighter than ever.

maybe they should make the raid instances in wotlk 30 man or something, since they bring in a new class n all.

unbeliveably interesting speculation, and the perfect thread for it too!

Last edited by Golrock (2008-06-23 06:05:40)

Palma, you played hunter a lot, didn't you? Raided as a hunter as well?
And you're asing about the reason for bringing 2 (or more) hunters why exactly?
Becasue they are doing low dps? Because they bring no buffs?

I'm usually trying to stay outside the disucssions you tend to provoke, the above is a straight-forward question, no harm intended.