The Enigma Order

Awesome patch. Arc mages got twatted too.

30% dmg nerf to a classes main ability is totally out of whack and makes no sense at all. Seeing as other burst type classes with better survivability than rogues didn't get touched (paladins/dk) . Atleast with mage you have another viable and arguably better spec in frost. Also when they nerfed BM a bit (just noticed that got a buff this patch as well) they gave hunters another viable spec. The only other viable spec for rogues in pvp is subt which with nerfs it received in tbc, makes it rather shit to tell the truth. So byebye rogue. This coupled with the fact paladins recieved no kind of nerf what so ever really shows blizzard has no clue when it comes to pvp. Out of the top 100 teams in arena almost 30% are paladins

Last edited by eightball (2009-02-12 00:19:27)

Oh please 30% less mutilate won't make rogues disappear. It just means mage rogue teams might need to use more than kidneyshot / blind / CS silence, I'm pretty sure this was aimed specifically at that combo in 2s and 3s.

Last edited by Beardstorm (2009-02-12 00:51:35)

thats a load of crap tbh von

cuz rogues or arc mages can kill somebody with almost no resilience ( 600 ) they should get nerfs ?
but paladins who represent like 90% of top ranks in 2o2 etc  shouldn't ?
ofc they should , they are already there because they are too strong arena healers, now with dpsers nerfed they'll even be stronger.

Mojorising wrote:

With the pala seals beeing undispellable, it will be a bit harder, but perhaps more balanced towards how easy they where before, compaired to rogues.

As you play paladin, i'm pretty sure you know that most of retadins already used talent that maked seals undispellable so it's only changing things for holy/prot paladins

I think its a nice try at least like this, little buff to PvE muti while PvP muti is a little worse, fine with me i don't like it either when i play on my (shitgeared)  moonkin every rogue who makes 100 mistakes will still pwn me, just no chance.

We got survivability, but clearly not enough when you start to go through for example 2v2 arena ladder. Not a single retadin in top 25. But guess how many rogues there were? Quite many actually.

http://www.sk-gaming.com/arena/player/2/eu/all/all/all/

Actually i find more retribution specced paladins then there are rogues of any spec in 2vs2, but since comparing a single spec is weird if we look at class vs class there is about 5 paladins for every rogue. I have been rightclicked by retri's more then once and saw my whole HP bar drop in 2 sec's, not even rogues can do that :p

Someone posted retri and DK's don't have more survivabilty then rogues, do u actually play this game? :p  There is nothing easier to kill for me then another rogue, catch one in kidneyshot with trinket on CD and he is dead, simple gear don't matter, no other class is guaranteed 100 --> 0 by just a kidneyshot. Retri paladins after the bubble to some extent i could agree they are easy to kill, DK's... don't think there is any class harder to kill then a DK tbh. Yes rogues do have a lot of CD's to use and in current arena even if u spam them most matches won't last long enough for you to run out of CD's, one could argue that rogues have good survivabilty because of all those CD's but putting them on par with DK's or even above is a little bit to much imo. I play arena with 84 ressilence from PvP trinket, this is only posible cuz of the mentioned CD's that i spam, also it helps that i play with priest/warlock who have less then 300 resilence, every team that choose to go after me makes a big error.

Rogue/Mage synergy nerfed its a good thing imo, but there is more classes that should be brought down in pure dmg:

- Retri's
- Feral's
- Hunters (though this class always needs to be out of line to compensate for 95% of hunter players being terible :p)

Maybe fury warriors but dunno i haven't played all that much arena lately and don't meet em that much. In a way i can understand that for example retri or feral need to have some rediculous dmg at times to make em viable in a balanced setting, since there is no healing debuff once u can upheal dmg again they need more dmg then a rogue to be viable. Not that easy to balance them without making them useless again like it was most of the time in TBC.

And DKs and Ret palas do not do the burst that rogues arcane mages did by a long shot. As a priest, i actually had a good survival chance against those.

At least ret palas they actually do, you just heal for twice as much against them, while against a rogue u cannot even remove poison so if he do 75% dmg of the retri u will still die faster. DK's can sometimes do big dmg but it depends and i think most still play then unholy spec which isn't as much burst as some other classes.

why is that? feral druids are underrepresented in all brackets at higher ratings.

From what i can see in 2vs2 there are more feral's at high rating then there are rogues, so if feral is underrepresented then what are rogues :p

Last edited by Appelsientje (2009-02-12 12:59:21)

Think a lot of people's opinions comes from playing 3vs3 where u meet rmp and get someone on ur team instagibbed, at least the stats on sk-100 make it look to me like this. Haven't looked at them myself for a while and i actually was surprised with some of it. rogue's mages and priests all much lower then i thought they would be, and for example shaman is much higher then i expected, thought they are total shit atm :p

Beardstorm wrote:

Awesome patch. Arc mages got twatted too.

As I see it, arcane never was a lot better than frost, the only difference is that frost is hard to play, arcane was supereasy.

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