The Enigma Order

Insured wrote:

Most of the people tend to drop the points from Healing Prayers and Test of Faith. I can't really speak for the why's, having been disc for all WOTLK raid content.

Good to see you still didn't drop lightwell though =P

Healing Prayers is an absolute necessity for me. Just take a look at the WWS numbers that has been posted and see how much we use Prayer of Healing and Prayer of Mending. It's very often our primary spells.

With Test of Faith I'm not so sure. It's a "when you need it the most" spell. It's hard to say exactly how often players are below 50%, but I believe it's more often that we think. Tanks can often be killed with two hits and the raid damage often bring players down below 50%.

Preliminary test results:
I have now compared some numbers from the last two raids and see that the size of my heals dropped somewhat more than I expected. Flash Heal fell from 5 455 to 5 209. Prayer of Mending dropped from 4 352 to 4 095. I think this moslty caused by external factors though, as it looks like all healers had a drop in "healing power".

Do people in our raids know how to use Lightwell? What comes to healing prayers, it is a must as Mox stated.

For instance, in the council I can keep spamming PoH till the first mob drops, use Shadowfiend the moment it can give maximum advantage and have it ready for the end of the fight. Might be kinda brute way of healing, but seems to work. In most of the cases I see that the aactual size of the heal (considering one has chosen the right heal in the first place) is trivial: 5k vs 6k heal to a low health target needs a topper anyways. What is important is getting that first "lifesaver" through. For this reason I have always kept Healing Focus in my build.

In my own build I'm thinking of replacing Improved Healing with Improved Renew, as Renew comes very handy in fights with a lot of expected raid damage. LIke Ignis: I toss out 3 Flash Heals (on the tank usually) to get 3 stacks of Serendipity, a little before jets I renew my other prio group, while in air I cast CoH and PoM, start casting a fast PoH to get my not renewd party up, use the almost guaranteed Surge of Light and cast a CoH and PoH on the renewed team. This pretty much keeps people up. Topping single targets with Flash Heal to get serendipity again and so on. A more powerful renew would be nice in those situations. As would lightwell if people use it.

What comes to Test of Faith: have you done the math if those points used in 5/5 Spiritual Guidance and 5/5 Empowered healing would bring the same amount of healing, but constantly and regardless of your target's health? I mean if you use a Flash Heal to a low health target, you would get that 12% more healing. If you would have the previously mentioned talents, you would get 5% total healing plus 8% to Flash Heal. I don't know how the system works: is that 12% from ToF pure healing on top of the heal, but at least Spiritual Guidance just boosts +healing, so it goes through a coefficient factor. The question is: do you actually effort more on those constant talents rather than a talent that requires some specific situation? And that is an actual question, I don't know the answer and I've been thinking if Í should get ToF myself, as it affects both CoH and PoH.

Alltogether I'm a "left wing" holy myself: got all the talents on the left side of the tree but one. And all those talents are something I am not willing to give up. On the right side we have Inspiration, which is mostly useless as we do not singletarget heal that often. But I do run 5mans too and it comes handy there and we can assist in MT healing making it almost a guaranteed to have Inspiration up on the tank. Tough one.

Do you have the numbers from ToF build when over 50% health? The numbers seem to be in favour of ToF indeed, the question is if we let the people below 50%. Indeed it is a tough call. Then again, how do the 12% healing react with crit? With tier8 set bonus (2 parts) the crits are fairly regular with PoH. Your testing shows that PoH gets the most out of ToF: do critical heals get the 12% benefit or something else?

Great effort there Mox, shows dedication to our cause. Keep up the good work.

The build I used during the raid today had 5/5 in Spiritual Guidance and 2/5 in Empowered Healing. I'll probably stick with that for a while for no apparent reason.

Emp Renew: It's a little extra instant for those "On the Move" -fights. I like it.

Then again I like most of the useless stuff..

If Emp Healing is indeed being nerfed, I guess I'll finally get Body and Soul.

Last edited by Kaini (2009-09-21 22:06:40)

Fairmont wrote:

Body and Soul...

Hm it can be a useful talent but imo it's a bit trivial. If it saved people, it 90% of the times means that someone failed at moving fast enough. Most of the times the reason you use it for is (easily) doable without it aswell. Think about Vezax kiting, Yogg phase 1 (especially pre-nerf), Mimiron phase 3 bot kiting (pre-nerf), Beasts HM.

Yeah a bit trivial imo.

But it's fun. For everyone you shield. Damn fun. Also often useful. For two points. Fun.