The Enigma Order

Go do an heroic and see if its true.

If it is, thats 1 step closer to Wotlk.

Lets nerf trash, because you're not gonna meet dangerous trash in raids right?

Didn't seem too hard when people cleared all heroics in one evening.

ensiferrum wrote:

i dont want noobs to have the same stuff as us pros.

The game is shit popular and for business reasons they're trying to cater to as large an audience as possible, maybe it's time for people to try to deal with it. Stop thinking what others have or can have, or focusing on e-peen at all and try to play for yourself? What does "us pros" mean?

I'm not saying I fully approve of making the game easier, mind you.

Insured wrote:

ensiferrum wrote:

i dont want noobs to have the same stuff as us pros.

The game is shit popular and for business reasons they're trying to cater to as large an audience as possible, maybe it's time for people to try to deal with it. Stop thinking what others have or can have, or focusing on e-peen at all and try to play for yourself? What does "us pros" mean?

I'm not saying I fully approve of making the game easier, mind you.

That was Wotlk. The fact that they had returned to the old model of 5 mans, probably means they were stepping away from the business philosophy(?).

Nerfing heroics so early in the xpac is crap. It as crap as introducing the ICC raid buff early on was.


I dont know how people cant understand this. If you make 5 man content easy, you'll have unprepared players for raids. How does one solve that issue? well its usually by nerfing raids. You cant have unprepared players stepping into somewhat hard normal modes. Thats whats gonna happen if you nerf heroics and leave raids as they are now. Yes i do think that normal raids wont be a walk in the park.

This cater crap is getting annoying. Oh but i just wanna have fun. Facerolling instances it not fun nor do i understand how can anyone enjoy that.

Why should i care about what others think or how do they enjoy the game? Because i play the same game as they do. If the game is shaped in a certain group of players' desire, i'll have to play that game aswell, and i think its safe to say most us  dont wants to play Wotlk again.

Edit: And dont give me the "Its just trash" crap. Trash is a fundamental part of an instance aswell. If we didnt have trash we'd have 5 mans and raids shaped in the way ToC was, and hardly anyone enjoyed ToC. Everything in an instance is a stepping stone. If you dont know how to kill trash packs, or why do you need to CC certain mobs, how can you even hope to survive in a boss fight.

And trash wasnt even that hard to deal with. I did heroic Grim batol some nights ago and it was "easy" (not in the true sense of the word) and smooth, because we delt with the trash perfectly. Just get out the LFD tool.

Last edited by Grimbold (2010-12-15 19:04:04)

Of course it needs to be nerfed, if the WotLK GS kids can't beat heroics then no one can!!!
People (read: spoiled tards) whining about difficulty of heroics when Cata has been out for just over a week now.

And yet there is already QQ, totally unexpected uhu!

I just did some heroics and did not feel any change to the trash.

What makes me facepalm, but also laugh a bit, is to see TEO members whining (not complaining, whining like the proverbial "WotlK kids") after some wipes in heroics. It's one of those things which are "so bad they are almost funny".

I gotta say, doing Vortex Pinnacle HC and Grim Batol HC tonight, there's a long long time since I've had this much fun doing heroics. VP was perhaps a bit too easy though(except from one pretty challenging encounter), but Grim Batol was just about perfectly tuned for our gear levels, it was shit hard, but far from impossible. I think we had over 20 wipes in total, and had to drop the last boss because people had to sleep, but we learnt alot, and it was crazy fun. Now my only hope is that epics ain't so easy to come by that everone steamroll these HC's in a month or two, AND that Blizzard won't nerf the shit outta these places just because randoms are having a hard time trying to run without CC and tactics at all.

Thanks Blizzard, this game really needed challenging heroics, and it just proves that it can be challenging without Epic rewards at the end, and still be interesting to most people.
(Yeah I love that the HC rewards are blue gear with heroic tag, and not free epics. Epics imo should be reserved for raiding, hardcore pvp and very time consuming profession grinds, it's in the word EPIC afterall)

Some play for gear, some play for achievements, some play for epeen, and some for fun.... Each to their own

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