The Enigma Order

eightball wrote:

or mage nurf.

Warlock whine after the first 25-men raids, IMO.

you know.. if you read it better it says that the mage has been the best dmg dealer in the expansion, sure this could be about a nerf of mages or a buff for rogues but that doesn't leave out the option that they aren't just referring to some other upcoming expansion pack, which I doubt myself but it's an option that I can see coming, just not now

the only thing we can do is dps (mostly single target), its our only raid utility

mages can buff, supply the raid with water, AOE, single target dps

Why would anyone take rogues with them on raids? We need more healing, we do less dps, we can`t buff, we can barely AOE, and we get outdamaged by mages. That needs a fix.

mages dont have to conjure water to the raid anymore.. you can buy better water from your local bartender.

Apox wrote:

mages should be the best dmg dealers IMO, since they can't keep it going forever like the rogues.
So while mages have mana left, they should outdps rogues by quite a lot if you ask me.

mages should get agro reducing skills then they can prolly outdps us, but it will most likely result in them getting agro and the raid wiping

Apox wrote:

mages should be the best dmg dealers IMO, since they can't keep it going forever like the rogues.
So while mages have mana left, they should outdps rogues by quite a lot if you ask me.

Rogues have to be in melee range to do any dmg, which makes it much harder for us.  in PvE we soak up the cleaves, aoe's etc which mages dont.  In PvP as we all know ranged > melee. therefore rogues should do more dps

cruzes wrote:

plus mages can do serious dmg (and don't come blabla that aint that much...its damn enough) with there wand while regen mana.

LOL! Serious damage? For mana reasons (JoW) I use the fastest wand I've seen (1.3 speed) that hits (!) for around 70 dmg. You call that serious damage? Man, in 1,3 seconds I can almost cast a scorch that hits for around 550 damage and crits very often, so it helps rolling ignites Really, wanding = no damage at all

cruzes wrote:

hmmz ok but i know my priest gave more dmg with a green wand lvl 50 wand @ lvl 55 then 70dmg
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obscure wrote:

with my current wand, i can push over 150dps

Well that aint that bad + like i said its only for when ur out of mana and then 150dps is for me serious dmg as alternative

Obscure is a priest and only Obscure can do that much dps with a wand, no one else.

Obscure wrote:

its only the mages that havent realised they have a talent called "wand spec", cause they put everything on fireballcrit

I'm verry sorry that i've chosen improved counterspell (4 second silence) or magic absorbtion (+10 resistances more, mana regen on white resists), and not that imba 25% more mana from the wand. Both all my PvE and PvE specs suffer and cry. :-(

holykami wrote:

the only thing we can do is dps (mostly single target), its our only raid utility

mages can buff, supply the raid with water, AOE, single target dps

Why would anyone take rogues with them on raids? We need more healing, we do less dps, we can`t buff, we can barely AOE, and we get outdamaged by mages. That needs a fix.

And they can overagro and die , where rogues Vanish
the reason rogues do more dps than mages is due to the ammount of threat that dps will give you.