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sweter · 2006-12-04 00:58:07

Hey :S

I'm frost.

And I've learned how to use Ice barrier (damn that was hard lol), but IB is still a thing that doesn't save my life too often in PvP. Hence - some questions.

1) Of course I've got cold snap. What's the best tactic of using it? Is it better to wait with the coldsnap until I need an Icecube TWICE in one fight (can never happen...), or it's like: I used my Icebrick, won a fight, now I have to use a cold snap and have IB ready for the next fight?

2) When do You use IB.
In general, i understand that lotsa dots = IB or I die. But I'm not sure about using it versus 3 classes: rogues (donno why, but are kind of a problem for me now when I dont have pom pyro and 25% to crit with fire blast - or at least this nasty guy called Excessive is a problem, ganked me really well in Silithus), warlocks and sahdow priests (cos they are hard to catch in frost nova).

a) rogue
if i see him stealthed, going to my back, should i use IB immidiatelly to prevent the initial backstab crit?
and what if I didnt see him, and now I just watch a red 2000 number floating above my head? Should I blink then, or pop IB after the innitial attack? (this would give him some time for cooldowns, tho)?
Or just FN, continue fighting, and save IB for the later part of the fight? But then he just

b) priest
sahdow, ofc. They mostly put dots on me, so it's very hard for me to time a good counterspell (do they even use mind blast in pvp? ) So now - do You use IB *right after* SW:P, mind flay, shadow vulnerability and all of the other shit? You know, right after, so it doesnt even start to eat your HP? Or is it useless, because they will just put the dots again? And if yes, then - when to use IB versus shadow a priest?
And another priest issue - should we keep the max range and try to kite them, or blink in and FN for shatter crits (and risk being feared)?

c) warlock
same thing as with priests. only noob locks open a fight with a shadowbolt, so I can rarely CS them. Do I use IB right after the last DoT land on my puny ass? FN + CoC crit, or distance?

The last question: is it my bug, or doesn't CoC break nova as easy as other, direct damage spells? And If it's true, should a "shatter order" be like that: fireball (or frostbolt) -> CoC -> fireblast?

BTW I've read that whines about 3 minute AP POM Pyro/arc explosion mages and that they've got no skills, but... Heh, FN + Frostbolt + CoC, Cold Snap, Frostbolt + CoC + fireblast... JEEZ THAT REQUIRES SKILLS LOL!

Thanks in advance. 0/17/24 is sure fun, it just only lacks some direct damage. I miss my ~1400 fireball hits

Obscure · 2006-12-04 01:04:39

sweter wrote:
So now - do You use IB *right after* SW:P, mind flay, shadow vulnerability and all of the other shit? You know, right after, so it doesnt even start to eat your HP? Or is it useless, because they will just put the dots again? And if yes, then - when to use IB versus shadow a priest?

lol

sweter · 2006-12-04 01:19:03

Obscure wrote:
sweter wrote:
So now - do You use IB *right after* SW:P, mind flay, shadow vulnerability and all of the other shit? You know, right after, so it doesnt even start to eat your HP? Or is it useless, because they will just put the dots again? And if yes, then - when to use IB versus shadow a priest?
lol

Man, I'm talking some serious stuff here I owned Nightfrost today couple of times (whose alt is he, btw?), when I was fire/arcane I knew what to do with priests, but now, first time in my life, I'm elemental with no ICS and PoM. And I learn

Obscure · 2006-12-04 01:29:18

nightfrost is eirills GF.

if i see icebarrier up, i just dispell it. use it if you want to...
if you get a jump on a non-shadow priest, just polymorph, and start nuking. the priest will not kill you with one SWP, and is likely to either:
- run close for a fear
- not do anything else but trying to heal himself up.

if the priest is shadow, the SWP itself will reduce your HP to 50% alone. the second dot has a cast time, but will put you in trouble if it lands. one MB crit on top of this, and you are in deep shit. These shadowspells have a chance of stunning you as well.

now.. a smart priest will not be confused by a (non-improved) counterspell, since there is always something to do with the other trees (PWS/Dispell Magic - SWP/MB - FH/Renew), but a priest who dont do pvp will die the moment you use counterspell, no matter what spec.

Solok · 2006-12-04 01:57:31

sweter wrote:
c) warlock
same thing as with priests. only noob locks open a fight with a shadowbolt, so I can rarely CS them. Do I use IB right after the last DoT land on my puny ass? FN + CoC crit, or distance?

you just die and beg for your mommy

seriously: it pretty much depends on the spec the lock has, if he's SL and has a felhunter out you are gonna be in deep shit, if he has half a brain .
He will dot you up and start spamming Searing Pain/Shadowbolt. what makes him so hard is his ~90 to all ress and his ability to CS with his Felpuppy as wel as dispell things like sheep. i can help you 'bit with this as i'm SL specced so we can do some practice matches .
If it's a Destruction lock he will probably try to fear/seduce you as they walk with a succubus most of the time. followed by a deadly combo of Soulfire +immolate + Conflagrate and reseduce again xD basicly giving you a VERY small window of oppertunity. If you see the succubus casting, CS it and sheep the lock, followed by nukeing down the succubus it should have only ~2-3k hp so she'll go down pretty fast, now start your regular combo.
If the lock's destro his defence will be limited to Fear when his pet is down, Also in the next patch locks will get an AoE stun but i don't have enough experience with it to give any advice on that .
Affliction: i don't have alot of experience with this, last time i was affliction was ~1year ago, i did try it out briefly on the PTR though, a affliction lock will want to dot you up ASAP, it will however take queite some time i recomend nuking as hard as you can untill you all the dots on you, at wich point you will want to icebrick to negate his dots and make him waste the largest amount of time. In the new patch a Affliction lock will also have an instant cast AoE fear equilvant to prixt fear.

Hope you can do something with the shit i posted here

sweter · 2006-12-04 01:59:50

Obscure wrote:
if i see icebarrier up, i just dispell it. use it if you want to...

Heh. You didnt understand my question Iceblock (not icebarrier!) has 2 purposes in pvp: saves you from attacks and _removes all harmful effects_. That's why I asked: when to use an iceblock. Because i wanted to know if it's better to remove dot's in the beginning, or do something else. And if those dots have any cooldowns.
Anyways, http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=prstld0.jpg - it's not like I can't kill priest. Just a IB question ;>

Obscure · 2006-12-04 02:09:15

iceblock is another matter yes. i would probably pop IB if i got a SWP on me, knowing that the priest wasted 480 mana. however if you started, the IB will give time for the priest to heal up and be ready, maybe even get the range of his choice.

none of my dots have CD, but they do cost a lot of mana (except MF, wich is sort of a chanelled dot). wich is why i have SWPrank1 on my skillbar. it can cause some really interresting moments. if you are unlucky, you wasted IB on a SWP rank 1 that costs 25mana and does 200dmg total.

meh i dont know

Baloth · 2006-12-04 04:11:39

the priest will not kill you with one SWP

na-ah, but you forget we are alliance and most priests we face have an imba racial dot called devouring plague which stacking with SWP WILL kill us
one SWP = 50%-75% of the mages total hp (with ice barrier probably around 25%)

Joly · 2006-12-04 12:23:48

pop when u get agro leik real mages

Baloth · 2006-12-04 14:58:38

priest: casting PW:S, run to mage for AE fear
mage: casting ice barrier
priest: casting psychic scream (or whatever that AE phear is called)
mage: "feared"
priest: casting SWP
mage: "feared"
priest: casting mindflay
mage: casting iceblock
priest: still casting mindflay
mage: cancel iceblock
priest: casting mindblast
mage: counterspell (shadowspells on cooldown)
priest: "counterspelled"
mage: casting polymorph (sheep)
priest: "baa"
mage: casting ice barrier
priest: "baa"
mage: bandage
priest: "gets out of polymorph from healing threat creation
mage: casting polymorph (sheep)
priest: "baa"
mage: casting ice barrier (SWP dot up)
priest: "baa"
mage: activate trinket, cast frostbolt/fireball
priest: "baa..."
mage: frostbolt casted, run to priest
priest: "gets out of polymorph" PW:S
mage: casting frostnova
priest: "immobilised", mindblast
mage: casting counterspell (shadowspells on cooldown)
priest: "counterspelled"
mage: casting frostbolt *crit, frozen target*
mage: casting cone of cold *crit, frozen target*
priest: refresh SWP
mage: refresh ice barrier
priest: casting mindflay
mage: casting scorch
mage: casting fireblast
priest: dead

unless the priest has imba gear or has not given in to the stupid mistakes of this example which priests STILL often make the mage is dead

holykami · 2006-12-04 15:32:19

nuub priest, l2silence

and mana burn

Last edited by holykami (2006-12-04 15:32:29)

Vulshok · 2006-12-06 01:04:02

good luck getting a counterspell on mindblast, now that counterspell is on the global cooldown <3<3

Baloth · 2006-12-06 02:20:35

hmm why is it those hearts your forming are meant sarcastically?
if you got a problem with me say so in my face instead of half comments okay?

Last edited by Baloth (2006-12-06 02:23:25)

sweter · 2006-12-06 03:25:32

Baloth wrote:
hmm why is it those hearts your forming are meant sarcastically?
if you got a problem with me say so in my face instead of half comments okay?

Baloth, I'm sure he didnt even reply to You, and if he did, he did nothing wrong. Chill out, he was only whining at current CS status. Which is completelly broken.

Baloth · 2006-12-06 04:02:58

I had 4 reports in 30 minutes, all ungrounded I was pissed anyway

Joly · 2006-12-06 11:47:04

sweter wrote:
a) rogue
if i see him stealthed, going to my back, should i use IB immidiatelly to prevent the initial backstab crit?
and what if I didnt see him, and now I just watch a red 2000 number floating above my head? Should I blink then, or pop IB after the innitial attack? (this would give him some time for cooldowns, tho)?
Or just FN, continue fighting, and save IB for the later part of the fight? But then he just

frostnova blink ftw

Baloth · 2006-12-06 14:23:32

jolt wrote:
sweter wrote:
a) rogue
if i see him stealthed, going to my back, should i use IB immidiatelly to prevent the initial backstab crit?
and what if I didnt see him, and now I just watch a red 2000 number floating above my head? Should I blink then, or pop IB after the innitial attack? (this would give him some time for cooldowns, tho)?
Or just FN, continue fighting, and save IB for the later part of the fight? But then he just
frostnova blink ftw

press tab to quickly target him and do fireblast, then the real stuff begins, popping cooldowns to get out of frostnova that is

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