The Enigma Order

http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid= … seal+dance

and i think patch notes said that ounce wont require being behind

ohh-- - here:

http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.htm … &sid=1

Blizz screwed druids it seems...
to sum up;

Druids: WTF?? thats not what the talents and changes were on PTR?
Blizz: Soz dr00ds.. we will look into it
Druids: erm? anything yet
Blizz: Pwned untill TBC.. so long sux0rs!!!
*Blizz staff goes back to play there changed non druid classes

It's cheating imo. You can't see in what form noggenfogger druids are so Im glad that got fixed.

true mojo, thats the main maening of noggr, its like saying invisibility potion is cheating cause you cant see a player

dont like that we got owned again, but. Mangle rox already for me - someone who had not played any test realms its nice enough. And i have my lock

Omg whine whine...

Yes some of the changes didnt make it to the patch. Mangle still rocks and tyrs hand grinding is so easy now

Some of the comments in that thread you linked mojo makes it sound like we didnt get any changes at all..

The only thing that i miss is pounce like it is in the beta

My spec is 0/46/5 btw

This patch rocks for balance druids with high + dmg. I got about +430 dmg on gear, +500 with the talents, and I crit with SF for about 3k w/o buffs. My highest crit with ZHC is 3,5k and the trees..., they are so nice vs casters to interrupt. Oh, normal crit with wrath is about 1,5k atm with 1,5 secs cast. I actually win duels now vs. people who doesn't do anything else then pvp... Did I say I really like this patch?

hemandk wrote:

This patch rocks for balance druids with high + dmg. I got about +430 dmg on gear, +500 with the talents, and I crit with SF for about 3k w/o buffs.

Surely that must be with buffs from battlegrounds? :S

The base damage of Starfire is 496-584. Add 500 damage (with talents) to this and the bonus from Moonfury and the maximum hit should be ~1200 and the maximum crit ~2400.

Something is bugged with the way the spelldamage of SF is calculated then

Or perhaps the mob/player was debuffed with a curse/beserker rage or something. If you look at the damage range of the spell and factor in talents and your spelldamage then it is simply not possible without further buffs or debuffs.

The numbers Jolt mentioned are in line with how it should be.

hemandk wrote:

Not really..., and why should I lie? I dont know if something is bugged, but I really hit for 3k w/o buffs.

It has to be a bug then because the math simply doesn't add up - or are the 3k crits when ZHC is activated?

Try to add the talents, damage range, and +spelldamage and the damage should not even be near a potential 3k. I was just wondering because for other classes this formula is very consistent, so there might actually be bug with it

EDIT:
Look at the gear of this guy - http://ctprofiles.net/833157

He says on the forums that he crits with for Starfire for 2800 unbuffed and he has 534 spelldamage. In other words, screenshot/fraps or it didn't happen

EDIT EDIT:
And yes, I am obsessed with theorycraft, and I hate it when I can't get the numbers to add up - hence these posts.

Last edited by xzar (2006-12-08 12:25:42)

I guess it's just a question of how you define unbuffed. I assumed it was without trinkets, but of course if you include those then the numbers add up

Pustbunker wrote:

Oh come on, youre a lock.... you are NOT allowed to whine about other classes imbaness.

If you were suddenly able to nuke harder than I can in my current gear then you would not hear the end of it

Including the ZHC changes everything though.

EDIT:
And I have a druid too, and I'm keeping my eye on you...

Last edited by xzar (2006-12-08 19:15:12)