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sweter · 2006-12-08 13:15:44

1/47/3 here, my build is aimed for group pvp/very heavy fireball damage. I dueled couple of guys yesterday and tho it's a less safe 1 on 1 build than elemental or forst, I must say that I havent's loose a single duel when I had my enemy sheeped (except one with Lydo, but I had a mob inc, so i sheeped it).
This of course means that I'm in a deep shit, if an enemy resists or counters my novas/sheeps/dragons breath (it happens, despite 3/3 precision), but I land 2,6k fireball crits, and I've got around 25% critrate now. I even started to think of replacing ZHC or ToEP with the UBRS trinket to crit more often. Anyways - shame I have to go to Amsterdam for a weekend, because I'd love to nuke that hard in BG's with You guys.
My current motto is: You're dead if You'll give me 3 seconds to cast.
And I don't care about what those forum wiseguys say about not using fireballs in PvP. Maybe they just suck

Baloth · 2006-12-08 13:30:05

Fire can be nice in PvP, I remember I ranked myself all the way to rank 10 with it.
However I lost my touch with fire and after 3 respecs I went back to elemental, same build as before patch, I found there were too few opportunities with the new talents to actually make a good build.
Though at level 70 opportunity will be in bulk and I will probably have some more talents in frost/fire to expand my elemental build.

Kelthalas · 2006-12-10 20:13:05

Fire is indeed very nice in pvp. I've specced 0/48/3 and I can kill shadowpriests and sometimes even locks with this build
Before the patch I was shatter/scorch specced in did very good dmg as well, but with dragons breath and blast wave, it makes it so much easier killing

Joly · 2006-12-11 13:23:50

my mage is 0/0/34 atm. aoe spec ftw. think i might go for teh wasser elemental

sweter · 2006-12-11 17:05:22

Kelthalas wrote:
Fire is indeed very nice in pvp. I've specced 0/48/3 and I can kill shadowpriests and sometimes even locks with this build
Before the patch I was shatter/scorch specced in did very good dmg as well, but with dragons breath and blast wave, it makes it so much easier killing

Can You post Your build pls? I love DB, too, but without blast wave I'm totally defenseless against rogues.

Bankropt · 2006-12-11 17:54:03

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/cla … 5010000000

shatter + elemental. and im loving it (0/30/21)

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Kelthalas · 2006-12-12 00:41:43

sweter wrote:
Kelthalas wrote:
Fire is indeed very nice in pvp. I've specced 0/48/3 and I can kill shadowpriests and sometimes even locks with this build
Before the patch I was shatter/scorch specced in did very good dmg as well, but with dragons breath and blast wave, it makes it so much easier killing
Can You post Your build pls? I love DB, too, but without blast wave I'm totally defenseless against rogues.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=kZvgGzc0cReRt0h

i usually run around with mana shield if I know a rogue is coming. when he attackes me (if I haven't found him first with rank 1 AE) i simply blink away turn to him and db him followed by scorch + blast wave + fire blast + frost nova + run a few yards back + scorch/fireball + fireblast. By this time, i'd say 95% of all rogues are dead unless they resist alot ^_^

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Baloth · 2006-12-12 01:01:43

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/cla … 00000#none

my spec, cause I haven't posted it before yet

Beardstorm · 2006-12-12 03:23:00

deep fire was good but seemed to die lots from DoTs

denatus · 2006-12-12 03:58:25

My current build:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/cla … 0000000000

But I'm considering fire/shatter build cause shatter is so fun:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/cla … 5010000000

Last edited by denatus (2006-12-12 04:00:58)

Enimusha · 2006-12-12 10:53:02

My first 2.0 build was deep fire, had to try DB ofc.

0/48/3

I loved it. Like kelthalas said, even shadowspriests dropped like flies and its really great to have so many instants in pvp.

Now yesterday i had a crazy idea to spec full arcane.

51/0/0

And after some serious testing yesterday in BG's, the build just rocks!
I get some sick AM hits and crits (about 780 hits and 1360 crits with single AM) and PoM is really nice too. But the best thing in this build is ofcourse Slow. What a sweeeet talent. Its a Hamstring and Curse of tongues with instant cast and no cooldown, it gives you really sweet control in 1on1 situations. I'll keep this build untill we'll get a raid or two up so i can try out the raid dps of the Arcane missiles, i'm confident though that it will rock in PvE too.

-Eni out

Joly · 2006-12-12 11:30:13

wow 1360 AM crits are just insane. i observed you in AB last night. you did 1/3 of a rogue's hp in 1 missile crazy shit

sweter · 2006-12-12 13:52:51

Kelthalas wrote:
i usually run around with mana shield if I know a rogue is coming. when he attackes me (if I haven't found him first with rank 1 AE) i simply blink away turn to him and db him followed by scorch + blast wave + fire blast + frost nova + run a few yards back + scorch/fireball + fireblast. By this time, i'd say 95% of all rogues are dead unless they resist alot ^_^

Well, thing is that when a good rogue like Jolt touches me, no mana shield will save my ass. Stunlocked, even if I blink, still cant even sheep.

Baloth · 2006-12-12 14:07:10

sweter wrote:
Kelthalas wrote:
i usually run around with mana shield if I know a rogue is coming. when he attackes me (if I haven't found him first with rank 1 AE) i simply blink away turn to him and db him followed by scorch + blast wave + fire blast + frost nova + run a few yards back + scorch/fireball + fireblast. By this time, i'd say 95% of all rogues are dead unless they resist alot ^_^
Well, thing is that when a good rogue like Jolt touches me, no mana shield will save my ass. Stunlocked, even if I blink, still cant even sheep.

got that same thing here, though jolt got skill and lots of em just got the gear to benefit from, not that the outcome will change but whatta heck

holykami · 2006-12-12 15:16:30

please note a little thing called "escape artist"

horde mages have nightmares about this racial (since kitability is our weakness versus mages)

EDIT: and improved sprint and trinket

EDIT: and dagger rogues have the best burst damage of all rogues

Last edited by holykami (2006-12-12 15:17:16)

sweter · 2006-12-14 14:12:57

My first 2.0 build was a disaster. I misclicked, made some wrong choices, don't even wanna think of it, I had a good BG power, but duels were a total disaster, only warriors, paladins and druids (and shamans) were in my range. Now I've respecced to the one and only deep fire build: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basic … 0000000000
and it plain rocks. This build is a.k.a. Let me sheep You and You're dead. Shame blazing speed doesnt proc of spells ;>

BTW Eni, I've duelled some arcane mages yesterday and here are my thoughts:

PoM - good
ICS - good
AP - good
Slow - good
Emp AM - good
all kind of damage reduction - good
AM channeling - HORRIBLE. Man, this just ASKS for a counterspell!!! I haven't loose a single duel to them, because they silenced me, sheeped, AP+bolt, and then started to use lazers. CS, sheep, fireball-DB-scorch-fireblast-blast wave-kkthnxbye.
OFC deep arcane surely owns other classes, but don't You have problems with mages?

Enimusha · 2006-12-14 15:16:53

He-he. you've duelled noob mages. Ofcourse you'll get a counterspell on your arse if you start channel AM before the opponent has used his CS. Just cast fire spells as long as his CS is off cooldown and then AM him to death. With spell power and AP, fire spells do alooooot of damage too so no problem there. Thats what i try to do atleast... though its not that simple all the time, depends alot of the opponent and his skills. I'll spec back to full arcane before tomorrows ZG raid. Lets try it out, just for fun.

sweter · 2006-12-14 15:23:26

Enimusha wrote:
He-he. you've duelled noob mages. Ofcourse you'll get a counterspell on your arse if you start channel AM before the opponent has used his CS. Just cast fire spells as long as his CS is off cooldown and then AM him to death. With spell power and AP, fire spells do alooooot of damage too so no problem there. Thats what i try to do atleast... though its not that simple all the time, depends alot of the opponent and his skills. I'll spec back to full arcane before tomorrows ZG raid. Lets try it out, just for fun.

Hehe, so Your tactic is similiar to heal-fakes. They start to heal, stop after a sec, and Your CS is gone ;>
If You like AM, You'd love Arcane Blast, too. BTW check our T5 set. http://worldofraids.free.fr/bc/T5/mage/t5mage.jpg
I'd like full T3 more than this

Beardstorm · 2006-12-14 16:11:27

I'm really tempted to try 41 arcane. as soon as I get a bit more gold

Enimusha · 2006-12-14 17:33:50

Go straight 51 arcane if you're at it... Arcane has some potential talents,even with 51 points.

Enimusha · 2006-12-26 23:01:12

Since we are pvping at the moment mostly, i decided to make a good pvp build with fire.

This is what i came up:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=kZxgGzbccReRzbhG

Blazing speed and Frost bite should be interesting combo with Ice armor.

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