The Enigma Order

the sub dagger build looks like pretty much the same as i would go for. i would prolly put 2 pts in elusiveness instead of reduced energy cost on garrote / cheap shot tho.

to the mutilate build : what cruzes said

Subtley build:
This is the first time I try subtley without elusiveness, and I must say your right. After playing some arena, I really miss the lower cd on blind. You get 2 vannish per arena though, so its only in rare cases I might have use for the vannish..., but I guess rare cases counts

But I really like all the other points I've specced. I won't take away Dirty Deeds, cause that talent is far better for the way I play..
Hmm. Maybe sacrifice 1 point at ambush and 1 in Serrated blades ?

Mutilate:
I have no experience with mutilate, how do you get em poisoned ? Do you use shiv? CS, Shiv, Mutilate. Or do you just CS, Mutilate and hope that it applies... Is this crap for pvp? Seems that you get shitloads of combo points, but kinda random how efficient the dmg is...
And which points should be dropped. Show me how your build would be..

Ive been using mutilate for some time now and I suggest going for build like this

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fGtcoExoVzVoZEM0c0h

I dont have imp bs atm but from my experience I suggest that you take it, karazhan has alot of mobs immune to poisons for example

Its also a good choise to take Imp EA or Imp KS because as mutilate you gather alot of combo points.

About Improved poisons and Vile poisons I take 5/5 imp poisons as a must, because simply bigger chanse to poison targets, no need to use shiv so much, especially in boss fights where you dont really have any energy to waste.

Personally I love Envenom with mutilate, notice 5/5 vile poisons 20% damage increase in envenom, ive had 3k
crits with it in 5man instances with normal party buffs. Again imp eviscerate for mobs immune to poisons. Notice that if you take imp poisons, you gather 5 stacks faster, which gives you bigger chanse to use envenom against targets, as it requires 5 combo points and 5 poison dots to make the biggest damage.

About pvp, I know clothies go down fast with mutilate at least at level 60, havent pvp'ed at all at level 70

atm I like mutilate as a spec

tru lydo, but that build is very pve! quick recovery and fleet footed are teh must for pvp imo! awesome talents. imp expose armor rocks aswell seeing you get so much combo points you dont know what to do with yourself ^^

Seal fate hemo <3

nice builds 8, but for the first build some points in MoD would be cool if your planning to stick with imp.sap, since for example in the heroic instances, the mobs can see through stealth quite easily, Got 5/5 on MoD and they still seem to react when im about to sap em

And anyone ever tried 31/0/30   or    30/0/31 typed builds?
i was curious about em when i heard from rogue forums and you can create very nice builds for PvP/PvE.
For Daggers i was planning:
First one for Vigor: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=i0ecoE0oizZZEMe0M0R0x
2nd for Preme: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=i0ecoE0oiZZEMe0MMRc0o

Note that Vile Poisons talent is always an option, but recently i just noticed that 5/5 ALSO increases your envenom Dmg by 20%, and i always coast deadly P:ns on my weps^^

Last edited by Gogeta (2007-03-12 11:01:40)

Gogeta wrote:

nice builds 8, but for the first build some points in MoD would be cool if your planning to stick with imp.sap, since for example in the heroic instances, the mobs can see through stealth quite easily, Got 5/5 on MoD and they still seem to react when im about to sap em

I noticed this today, only got killed a couple of times because of it but its annoying none the less. but damn its 35g to change like 4 talent points from movement speed in stealth to Mod :S gah!

<-- i is a swords lol

Windir wrote:

cruzes too afaik

Hell yea!

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=iMe0oExoVzZZxMeoMhRs

My new build now..
With Vile Pois. And Imp Pois. + Seal Fate....I can see an imba dps by using deadly poison and spamming Envenom, and with the fast combo generation you get alot envenom strikes Tested it out yesterday..and my normal envenoms are hitting 1300-1400 dmg.

Last edited by Gogeta (2007-03-22 10:45:46)

jolt wrote:

interesting build GETA, altho it seems a bit gear dependant to me. the build that is

Mutilate if something is very gear depen. (fixed my name)

Last edited by Gogeta (2007-03-22 12:05:04)