The Enigma Order

yea.. flukk you forgot to press the "link to this build" button between the specs. or then didnt copy the new address before pasting here. Because all those three specs are mutilate atm

Mojo. After my rogue gets to 70 (next reset hopefully).. we'll be doing some arenas, you and I. Either with your rogue or much rather with your druid ^^

And I`m no rogue expert, but I think skipping ghostly strike and imp ss is a bad idea as a hemo rogue.

Mojorising wrote:

you dont need to use ss when you are hemo - hemo takes over SS, like mutilate takes over backstab.

Yeah, thats what I thought right after posting it. Was that different before tbc?

Mojorising wrote:

dont think so - i was combat swords before TBC, and my rogue was only 52 when expansion came, so never tried beeing a lvl 60 killing machine

Yeah I`ve never been hemo, but I think I saw builds with ss.

For hemo you kinda need to go deeper in subt tree for the good stuff as eightball said

id prob go for this http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fhebot0siZZxMeoMhRox
and i havent checked what they change in 2.3 either so might change then

For my rogue, its all about BG's.

the patch notes say:

Rogues

All poisons will now enchant the weapon for 1 hour, increased from 30 minutes.

Blade Flurry: This ability now works correctly in all cases with shielded targets.

Blind is now a physical (no longer a poison) attack. Reagent requirement removed. Now shares the same diminish category as Cyclone and is now diminished in PvE as well as PvP.

Cheat Death (Subtlety) chance to trigger increased to 33/66/100% and now also causes the rogue to take 90% less damage for 3 seconds when the effect triggers. This effect cannot occur more than once per minute.

Cold Blood: Fixed an issue where this buff was sometimes getting removed when an attack missed.

Dirty Deeds now also increases damage against enemies below 35% health.

Fleet Footed (Assassination) now increases movement speed by 8/15%.

Kick: Interrupting a channeled spell with this ability will now always properly prevent casting spells from the same spell school for 5 sec.

Precision: This talent now also applies to ranged weapons.

Riposte is now subject to diminishing returns in PvP.

Remorseless Attacks: This talent can no longer be triggered by the death of a rogues target dummy or other pet.

Rogue's Deadly Throw missile speed increased significantly and snare duration increased slightly.

Ruthlessness now only affects melee finishing moves. It no longer works with Deadly Throw.
Sap: Multiple Saps placed by multiple Rogues will now be handled correctly in all cases.

Shadowstep (Subtlety) can now be used at any time, not only while stealthed. Now increases the damage and reduces the threat caused by the next damaging ability. Cooldown increased to 30 seconds. Range changed to 25 yards.
If you are in Stealth and try to use an ability that may not be used while stealthed, you will leave stealth and use that ability. This can be disabled with /console autoUnshift 0

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Also there is a change to Hemo, where its getting normalized, and doing 125% weapon dmg or something

I have been testing 2.3 hemo in ptr and I gotta say that its going to be very good. Some teorycrafters even
say that its going to do more damage in pve than combat specs does. I got a 1,8k hemo crit with 1600ap unbuffed on a rogue in bg yesterday, he might have had that berserker thing up though. Though I had another one on a mage later on the same bg Cheat death will be a big part of hemo or possible shadowstep builds, even shadowstep & hemo might become an option since shadowstep just will be imba antikiting ability, very imba one. About cheat death its just.. overpowered some would say, it is no longer possible at all to nuke rogue down before a healer can get a heal through, 3 seconds cheating death buff reduces damage taken by 90%. For example, got a 125 execute yesterday with the buff on hehe..

Mojorising wrote:

shadowstep will for sure help you, when you are standing rooted and seeing that mage lauch a frostball, sheep or what ever

With the change to hemo, would it be possible to use it with daggers now?

I doubt that. Imo daggers are only usefull for attacks that actually require daggers, and for quick attacks. Using daggers for hemo is just gimping yourself. Though since you`ll allready be so deep into sub, you might be able to make a decent build with which you`ll use daggers for ambush (as a big damage opener), and then switch to swords/maces/fists for hemo (for more controllable damage).

Why take Oppotunity, when you dont use daggers?
Doesnt that pretty much leave it with 5 points for 20% better garrote?

The 21/0/40 spec looks really nice too.
I would however, put the 4 points from poison into 2/2 murder and 2/2 expose armor i think.


this is what i would consider, if i was to go for a ShS build
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=f0eboxZZxMeoMGRsxst

xD

Murder does affect players