The Enigma Order

Wondering about this too, since CoR will boost melee dps alot, and it would be really sweet to see it in the raids.

It is a good DPS boost, but you really need to have Imp Demoshout (IMO) to make it worth using on non-farm content which afaik our tanks don't have / use, since people ask for CoW (weakness). Also I don't really think it's that good for progression unless the fight is a real DPS race (P3 vashj etc) or loaded with boss magic DPS (e.g. solarian) where it will be more worthwhile.

It's a huge increase with FF / sunder / executioner / armour penetration but we ideally want 3 warlocks in the raid which I haven't really seen since I started raiding again

CoS = boost to mana regen via shadow priest damage - Not used this much since we rarely bring s.priests.
CoE = obvious mage increase
CoR = obvious melee increase

edit: corrected typo

Last edited by Beardstorm (2008-01-31 19:08:07)

Sounds like some bla-bla to me, maybe you warlocks will work something out of it

From elitistsjerks.

"I'm a Warlock, and with these armor values I've been able to exactly quantify casting Curse of Recklessness based on the raid makeup. To be more exact, I figured out how to rank the curses Shadow, Elements, and Recklessness according to damage contribution, by equating the curse to a percentage of a single person's DPS. Admittedly, this only begins to matter when you bring two or less Warlocks, but it's useful to know.

The value of Shadow is simply equal to 10 (or 13) times the number of Shadow/Arcane users in the raid. Likewise, Elements is 10 (or 13) times the elemental users. Recklessness is 5-6 times the number of physical damage dealers, considering Dayve's math:

If we assume now that the boss has SA stacked x5 on it, adding just FF gives a further 4.5%/4.05% increase, CoR gives 5.99%/5.38%, and with both on they give 11.06%/9.9% increase over just SA.

Take for example a raid of 4 Rogues, 2 DPS Warriors, 2 Hunters, 3 Warlocks, 1 Shadowpriest, 1 Arcane and 2 Fire mages, supported by 3 tanks and 7 healers. No warlock has Malediction.

Shadow is worth 40%. Elements is worth 20%. Recklessness is worth 40%. If one of the warlocks has to go, it's the Fire mages who are getting the shaft, curse-wise."

Last edited by Lamme (2008-01-31 12:28:35)

physical, not melee.
looking at our standard raid damage meters, it makes it even more interesting.

Expose armor doesn't stack with SA, afaik.

I'd say the gain from EA > SA is so slight, that even the rogues CP used to get EA up, will do more damage in a long run. Cant say for sure though, propably rogues could enlighten us in this matter?

Expose armor without talents: -2050 armor
Sunder armor: -2600 armor

Only talented Expose armor (2 talent poins, increases the effect by 50%: -3075 armor) will overwrite 5 stacks of sunder armor (only applies if sunders are on the target first). This leads to the question of how many of our rogues got Improved Expose armor?

Curse of Recklessness will boost physical damage output from bosses, as it increases attackpower by 135.

Demoshout reduces attackpower by 300 (420 if talented)
Curse of Weakness reduces attackpower by 350 (420 if talented lol)

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Can devastate be used if expose armor is up on the mob, after the change to devastate ? (autoapply to sunder armor)
and even so, sunder armor is better if expose armor ain't talented.