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Palma · 2008-01-22 07:54:58

I'm prob. gonna reroll DK, since 2handed and DW tanking sounds awsome (since warriors can't do it all that well)

but loot wise, wont DK be boring as you wont need any weapons or anything cause your own just upgrades?

Apox · 2008-01-22 17:08:20

I have no idea where you get your info from palma. DK not needing weapons?

Boltan · 2008-01-22 17:45:03

there was some talk almost half a year ago about runeblades and DK personal weapons that could maybe get upgraded through tokens or getting strong weapons and then imbuing their strong magic to their own runeblade making it stronger. not sure if that idea is scrapped but I atleast find it rather interesting would fit with the idea of the runemagic with a certain amount of runes carved in the death knights weapon (thats the idea I believe) that the DK can use for different kind of abilities.

Apox · 2008-01-23 02:50:10

Well, as it currently stands, the runes can be carved into any weapon you're wielding. Or, actually they're kinda carved into your powerbar.
Blizzard said somewhere that they didn't wanna take away the fun of looting a weapon you've waited for for ages, or drooling over items that you may get in the future, which makes perfect sense to me.

Palma · 2008-03-11 06:39:00

that sounds good:)

about the tanking part... without a shield, how can you reach 102.4% avoidance? That a tank req. in endgame raid tanking? I've heard from tanking experts that only warrior and paladin can get that high atm. as they can use a shield and druid can't. But offtanking might be possible, as that clearly doesn't req. a shield, since druids do it all the time:)

Mojorising · 2008-03-11 10:31:28

crazy Dodge and our massive ammount of armor makes up for not wielding a shield or be able to block/parry.
- And even tho all other beasts in this game can parry, druids cant, because we dont wield a weapon, but bears all over azeroth and outland does ^^ - but thats another whole discussion.

Apox · 2008-03-11 19:12:52

Not only beasts mojo. Every damn mob seem to parry and even block sometimes. I've met NPC casters that block your attacks.
Hell, I even had a screenshot of a lvl 1 chicken parrying an attack from my 2h Ashkandi back in the day. Cracked me up.

Ino · 2008-03-11 19:28:23

Palma · 2008-03-12 22:06:01

so you can reach 102.4% avoidance without a shield? sounds like an impossable task, at lvl 70 at least, maybe 80 will be another story

Windir · 2008-03-12 22:40:20

Druids

Forget it. You will eat crushing blows. This is why bears have their high armor. BT/Hyjal druids can push their dodge/miss to 102.4% with trinkets, but this is for a few seconds and has a long cooldown.

Palma · 2008-03-12 22:56:20

but as a DW'ing or 2handed wielding death knight you can parry, while a druid can't do that... so it can be possible yes? but as I said, it sounds like an impossable task without shield block

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Windir · 2008-03-12 23:41:57

I really see no point in the avoidance discussion... still months until WotLK is released, and I think Blizzard has thought of how to make DW tanking viable for the deathknight ...

Apox · 2008-03-13 02:44:17

Palma wrote:
but as a DW'ing or 2handed wielding death knight you can parry, while a druid can't do that... so it can be possible yes? but as I said, it sounds like an impossable task without shield block

Yes you can probably parry, no you can probably not shield block. Druids can't do any of those mentioned above, so why would it be impossible to tank as deathknight with only parry and not shieldblock when druids can tank good without both? Your logic evades me.

Tixcky · 2008-03-13 11:02:17

The runes sound a bit like in Diablo II. When you have a certain collection of runes, put them in your pandora's box together with some other shizzle and fix a complete new item.

Sonsuz · 2008-03-13 15:58:29

the questchain for a DK is only obtainable if youre 80 ^^ so you still cant level with ze guild :p.Ive got a good advantage cause the gaming shop downstairs opens at midnight for sales so i get it run upstairs take some days from work or summit and freak to 80 get meself a DK ^^.

Golrock · 2008-03-13 19:30:57

Sonsuz wrote:
the questchain for a DK is only obtainable if youre 80 ^^ so you still cant level with ze guild :p.Ive got a good advantage cause the gaming shop downstairs opens at midnight for sales so i get it run upstairs take some days from work or summit and freak to 80 get meself a DK ^^.

not confirmed that it's at 80. i've heard to the contrary, that it's available for ppl with lvl60+ chars, my bet is they have not decided.

i will roll a DK, because if he is like he seems to be, a "dps tank" of sorts, DWtanking and all, he's gonna be fkn awesome.

Lamme · 2008-03-13 20:16:47

not much neitehr into dk discussion nor into pvp, but the idea of something with high end tank survivability, dual wielding and holding aggro by it sounds somehwat tricky to balance in pvp.

I'll kite them anyway.

Palma · 2008-03-16 11:17:21

Apox wrote:
Palma wrote:
but as a DW'ing or 2handed wielding death knight you can parry, while a druid can't do that... so it can be possible yes? but as I said, it sounds like an impossable task without shield block
Yes you can probably parry, no you can probably not shield block. Druids can't do any of those mentioned above, so why would it be impossible to tank as deathknight with only parry and not shieldblock when druids can tank good without both? Your logic evades me.

you saying that Druids make good tanks? you gotta be kidding:P I'd choose a warrior/paladin over a druid any day:D as they are simply better. Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you should. the only reason druids are so good vrs mage lige bosses such as the shaman in gruuls lair is that they are immune to poly, and thats the only reason.

a shaman can tank too, with his taunting totem and high threat generating shocks, but it doesn't mean its a good idea, does it? meaning, if druid can tank, a death knight can do it too, but as druids, they will prob. suck as main tanks, where the warrior or paladin would be a better choice.

Hybrid classes in WoW: Shaman and druid <--- both can heal, both can do dps (ranged), both can do melee dps, both can also tank, BUT not as good as warrior/Paladin. mainly why they can in some cases be used as offtanks.

enough said:)

Offtank Shaman Specc would be something like this: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basic … 0000000000

I'm guessing you can change some of it to make it better, but I'll leave that to the shaman experts, maybe change convection with concussion for more dmg, I donno, guess it depends on the mana pool at hand

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Palma · 2008-03-16 11:51:05

plz delete the 4 posts above this.... I wanted to type something and it didn't work, so I tried again and it came out like this...

you'll find what I'm trying to say here: http://www.wowwiki.com/Death_Knight from the full stop 4 lines above the "A&HC 24-26" and down to it.

Enimusha · 2008-03-16 12:50:58

Palma wrote:
Apox wrote:
Palma wrote:
but as a DW'ing or 2handed wielding death knight you can parry, while a druid can't do that... so it can be possible yes? but as I said, it sounds like an impossable task without shield block
Yes you can probably parry, no you can probably not shield block. Druids can't do any of those mentioned above, so why would it be impossible to tank as deathknight with only parry and not shieldblock when druids can tank good without both? Your logic evades me.
you saying that Druids make good tanks? you gotta be kidding:P I'd choose a warrior/paladin over a druid any day:D as they are simply better. Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you should. the only reason druids are so good vrs mage lige bosses such as the shaman in gruuls lair is that they are immune to poly, and thats the only reason.

I lolled...

Apox · 2008-03-16 15:47:21

Hahaha, shaman ain't a tank hybrid palma. Sure you can probably offtank some trash in normal 5mans, but when it comes to raids, forget it. Druids are excellent tanks btw, so once again, I really don't know where you get your info from, do you just make it up in your head?

Windir · 2008-03-16 16:06:07

palma, how long have you been playing world of warcraft ?

Windir · 2008-03-16 16:12:59

Palma wrote:
a shaman can tank too, with his taunting totem and high threat generating shocks, but it doesn't mean its a good idea, does it? meaning, if druid can tank, a death knight can do it too, but as druids, they will prob. suck as main tanks, where the warrior or paladin would be a better choice.

stoneclaw totem for tanking ??? L O L... have you ever played a shaman ? Wailing Caverns / Deadmines is probably the only place you can go with a shaman tank (or if the shaman greatly outlevels the instance)

sorry, but your post is made of fail... Druids, Warriors and Paladins all have their strengths and weaknesses, but they all can be great tanks, it really depends on the person playing.

Mojorising · 2008-03-16 17:34:59

HAHAHAHA

(ihsahn you bad boy, i almost fell down from my char)

Palma · 2008-03-16 18:51:22

well, it says on wow europe that shaman makes a good offtank... so I kinda copied it from there... but it doesn't change the fact that a druid cannot tank end game bosses (without 5-6 healers). no shield, no plate armor = fail! 300% armor boost wont help you... puny leather armor.. pfft.

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