The Enigma Order

Palma... really, get your facts straight before you come here to tell them to us.

Palma wrote:

well, it says on wow europe that shaman makes a good offtank... so I kinda copied it from there... but it doesn't change the fact that a druid cannot tank end game bosses (without 5-6 healers). no shield, no plate armor = fail! 300% armor boost wont help you... puny leather armor.. pfft.

take it from me, i've played a shaman for a good 2 years or more.. shamans cant tank, they couldnt even when rockbiter still had a +aggro bonus, and they still cant.

and by tanking i mean successfully holding aggro and migitating most of the incoming damage while the rest of the dps go almost all out on the target. they can if needed tank some non hard hitting mob in a 5man non heroic. but that could be done by a resto druid, a warrior of any type, a warlock, a pvpgeared mage, hell.. anyone can hold a mob in a 5man for some time.

they originally probably were intended to have the same tanking capabilities as paladins (remember when only horde had shamans and they were supposed to be the "match" of paladins?) but that was thrown away long before TBC.. it's just that blizzard FAILS at updating their class descriptions, they should never be taken seriously.

oh and we've had druid tanks all the way so far into MH, and i dont doubt for a second that they will remain useful all the way to illidan and past.

in other words, you seem to be full of feces.

Last edited by Golrock (2008-03-16 22:59:25)

Earths Grasp?! oh come on, what are you going to use it for? stoneclaw totem? dude if you even want to get close to tanking you have to have IMBA equipment and no doubt you'll outaggro your stoneclaw totem as it does NOT increase threat gain on it via any talent. Screw Earths Grasp and take one off Convection go for FULL Mental Quickness in enhancement tree. And lose the parry talent, 30% threat reduction is too much threat lost.
Either way look at the armor an enhancement shaman has in dps gear with those talents, 13k? 14k maybe? that's not nearly enough. No doubt I'd go for non set epics from high end instances with agi to boost up the armor more because the shaman enhancement tiers don't have agi on it but crit chance. The dodge is ridiculous, no shield block at all. It's useless to try.

There's no viable way for shamans to tank with any spec so don't get it in your messed up mind to try and create one.
If there ever comes out some shaman tanking abilities/talents, I'll be the one to try them out and post my findings but face it, there won't, mail tanks are WHACK! anywhere but level 60 instances that INCLUDING a shield.


To sum all the issues up.

Too little armor.
Too little hp from high end gear.
Too few threat supportive spells/abilities.
Too little dodge.
Too little block rating.

Maybe I forgot something but this list alone is more than enough to say, do not try to tank BC instances.

edit: oh and do NOT believe every thing wow europe tells you

Last edited by Baloth (2008-03-17 04:38:53)

YOU HAVE SO RETARDED STATEMENTS.

How can you with the amount of 70s you have, be so stupid??
listen to what you are saying: "but that still doesn't mean a druid, again, a shieldless class, can tank bosses that cleave. screw dodge, they still die!"

Screw dodge?? what are you talking about. Are you even aware of how much of a fool you make yourself look like with comments like that?
When not having a shield, dodge will go in to replace it. How can you be so ignorant to challenge us to have druid tanks in BT like its something special?? Alot of guilds have druid tanks in BT. and yes, with the same ammount of healers, as the pala or warrior tanks.

so you are saying, with enough dodge, anyone can tank a boss? I'm just told that in order to reach 102.4% avoidance you need a shield, (for blocking) maybe thats wrong?

then excuse me:)

anyways.. back to my original question, what do you think a death knights role will be in a raid?

rest, delete, no reason discussing this any further...

Last edited by Palma (2008-03-26 20:37:15)

Warsaw wrote:

Can warriors actually tank? Pure dps class imo. Ask Vontannkkja.

hehe... yeah... they also tank... dont you?

anyways, this topic is about the Death knight, discussing tanking abilities for other classes is irrelevant. here, the death knight abilities should be discussed:) so carry on:)

Unholy aura... thats gonna be sweet, just standing in the middle of the aoe mob group with your aura and use your other aoe abilities:) (unholy runes)

Palma wrote:

so you are saying, with enough dodge, anyone can tank a boss? I'm just told that in order to reach 102.4% avoidance you need a shield, (for blocking) maybe thats wrong?

then excuse me:)

anyways.. back to my original question, what do you think a death knights role will be in a raid?

rest, delete, no reason discussing this any further...

Druid's high amount of dodge as well as their 75% damage reduction from armor makes crushing blows a nonissue, if you fail to realise this then you fail in epic proportions, so did the ones trying to tell you that you need to reach 102,4% avoidance to be able to tank a boss cause no warrior tank will reach that amount of total avoidance without gimping his health by over 5-6k health unbuffed, and that sacrifice aint worth it.

http://wow-wrathofthelichking.blogspot. … -king.html

more stuff about the DK and Wotlk as a whole:)

Last edited by Palma (2008-04-16 03:13:00)

Tbh if what is said about DK is true PvP will be fucked. like really fucked.Think about it, taunt in pvp that actually pulls them to you, or pushes them away, pull a war behind a pole and 1-2-3 bam d34d. No good:<

Apox wrote:

I see no difference in that and pulling yourself to a target and stunning them(charge/intercept)
Not only DK's will take use of the new push/pull mechanics though.

Sounds like another way to get your enemy incapable to get away from you. Blink did the trick, charge/intercept, seal of justice, crippling poison, shadowstep hell even an enchant or gem could help on that. I'm not sure if you can call it the same as stunning apox as it in no way affects movement speed for as far as my knowledge goes.

Seems like playing DK is abit messy.
I went to tyrs Hand to fight elites, and my playstyle ended up, something like this:
FACEROLL over my spells.
All you do is waiting for some cd somewhere to end, so you can spam it again. It feels like there is no "real" playstyle here, as much as just spamming what ever abilities you have :S

It feels extremely confusing. There is like 3 or 4 melee hit abilites that are named different, but kinda does the same. do x% dmg and additional y% dmg if z% deseases are up.

ohh, and if you are unholy you have like a pet that are just crazy + gargoyle :S
not sure what to think about this class. One side of me really likes it, and the other think it feels abit broken and to messy

not at all.
An enchancement shaman would use something like stormstrike / shock to kill his enemies.

DKs have 200 abilities you can just spam in random order. It feels like a rogue who have the possibility to spam a finisher before applying combo points, and thats what makes it confusing.
In my eyes there lack a "can only be used if target is effected by X" kinda limit to some of the moves.

Its probably because its so new, and you get a shitload of skills and talents in notime... i meen, in 3 hours i went from starting area > outlands, and there is so many new abilities that its confusing in the start to know when and where to use them.