The Enigma Order

Yes, as I said Dispel Magic and Abolish Disease are based on spellhit. Simple as that

Last edited by Fairmont (2010-03-15 00:14:23)

I do believe I said that abolish disease was based on spell hit last reset when it failed a few times, but there was someone, that I can't remember who was, who said spellhit had no influence on it, but the matter of the fact is that any spell that doesn't heal has a chance to miss/fail and spell hit reduces said chance.

Or we could give Mox the Fox a draenei sacrifice and make him consume it with some delicious +hit food, that would probably do the trick too.

Edit: IF this goes by the same logic as MC'ing Deathknight Understudies on Razuvius (have no evidence to back this assumption up thou), the sufficient amount of hit would be 158. So 40 from food, 14ish from draenei and rest from talents and gear perhaps?

Last edited by Kaini (2010-03-15 11:06:22)

Not entirely true: I did a lot MC'ing in NAxx with 0 hit on my gear, and it was not that common for mC to break early, it only happened occasionally.

Okay first of all, Mind Control and Abolish Disease are something completely different. Namely, Mind Control is a spell used ON the target and in theory you needed 6% spellhit to negate any resists (in the case of Razuvious fight where the Understudy is lvl 82). This was also confirmed (and later fixed to 0% afaik).

Now, the Necrotic Plague is a debuff on a friendly target from a lvl 83 (boss level) target. Dispelling/cleansing a friendly target is not the same as offensive dispelling. Offensive dispelling works the same like normal spells on a target (i.e. 17% hitcap on bosses).

It is unknown what the exact required percentage of spellhit is to negate the failed dispels/cleanses on friendly targets (thus defensive dispelling/cleansing). Something is indeed very strange and it also looks like there is a fixed percentage of these failed dispels/cleanses.

Also, it is possible that your Dispell Magic and/or Abolish Disease do hit the target (thus not resisting), but the ability itself does fail to dispel/cleanse the debuff due to the spellhit requirements (or due to the fixed fail chance).

So at the end I think that there is 1) a fixed percentaGe of failed dispels/cleanses and 2) a fixed percentage of resistsed dispels/cleanses which can be lowered by spellhit. However the amount needed is certainly not 17% because it is defensive dispelling. Yet there is still a chance it resists, where some people say the percentage is 3% which can't be lowered. Though I could not find any confirmations on that so I highly doubt it.

Last but not least there is no difference between Abolish Disease and Cure Disease . The tooltip may indicate otherwise but the mechanics are completely the same. Both abilities are confirmed to be able to resists/fail to cleanse.

Last edited by Fairmont (2010-03-15 12:39:04)

Fairmont wrote:

Also, it is possible that your Dispell Magic and/or Abolish Disease do hit the target (thus not resisting), but the ability itself does fail to dispel/cleanse the debuff due to the spellhit requirements (or due to the fixed fail chance).

This is the case. The buff is applied to the target, but the debuff is not removed. My theroy is that if I cast the buff before 2 seconds have passed, then my buff would have two attempts at removing the debuff. This is however counter productive and leads to more problems than it sloves. It can be done on the tank, but not anyone that should run away.

At this point assuming is pretty much all we can in my opinion, so every idea should be thought through and tested if somehow possible. Who know, it might even be spell penetration that affects the fail percentage. I think brainstorming can only do good here, maybe someone will have an epiphany on my random ideas in Dr. House style and solve the case.

I can remove the filter that hides debuffs on players with Abolish Disease. That way I cen see if it was successfull or not and try again, but first cast will normally happen later than 3 seconds. It's rarly possible to react and then move far enough in 3 seconds. We even have some players not moving far enough in 5 seconds.