The Enigma Order

Moonkins for the win. I' happy with moonkin in every aspec. should i expect a nerf for moonkin spec soon?

Kashtan wrote:

Id also like to ask TEO if there's place for feral druid in raid now. ( after changes). I love TEO all right, but  no 1 might cause i wont be raiding because thers no palce for me, no 2 might cause i wont be raiding because i will be sick of doing something i dont really love

There will always be a spot for you and every other druids in TEO raids, no matter of your spec. TEO is family that does intances now and then. We dont look to your specs (even if it has seemed that way lately) and we welcome feral druids to the raids as much as balance or restoration druids. If you know how to play your class (like you do Kashtan) you will be invited to the raids.

Do not worry about your specs at this moment as TEO is just starting to raid TBC instances. Go with the spec you feel the best and do your best as a hybrid class in instances. If you're a feral, dont sign up as a "tank/dps", but go as "tank/dps/healing" and you will be picked in the raids.

Its not about the spec, its about the player behind the character.

Enimusha wrote:

Talmira wrote:

Enimusha wrote:

Moonkins for the win. I' happy with moonkin in every aspec. should i expect a nerf for moonkin spec soon?

do you come close to mage damage at times, do you have high crits like mages, do you have higher armor then a mage? if you can answer yes to any of those questions , i think you know the answer

I beat mages in single target dps, i have higher crits than mages, and yes i have higher armor than mages... so i guess i'll be expecting a nerf.

I'm not so sure, even tho you might do slightly higher dps the first minutes the mage excell by far doing much more dmg when the fights get longer, since mages are much more mana efficient and have many more ways of getting mana back.(Dont  count on using Innervate on yourself, healers might need em more when we talk about longer fights)

Another aspect is pvp, a oomkin druid is not very good 1on1 afaik, the druid doesnt have that many options except high AC.

So perhaps they wont get nerfed at all

Last edited by denatus (2007-02-25 17:20:25)

Pustbunker wrote:

I REALLY disagree with you here. In duels... maybe, in BG's, hell no. Before TBC I could easily 2 hit people and I did not have that impressive gear. If your starfire crits, all it took was a moonfire for me to get my target down. Add to that the ability to shadowmeld and you are very, very impressive at 1v1.

I don't really know how it is at 70 though since Im still 67, but I can only imagine that with Cyclone it only got easier 1v1.

But that is mostly just two-shotting at your advantage.

Compare that to:
Polymorph, Iceblock, Frostnova, Counterspell, Blink, PoM, Slowing effects, and more?

Mages just have so many more options to turn a fight around in a 1v1 fight that does not necessarily begin at their advantage.

Damn... gotta get my ass to 70

Hmm the nerfs to armour and health seemed a bit unnecessary since the only "problem" with the bears afaik was that their damage was excessively high.

It's fine that moonkins and cats do the same damage as rogues / mages though since their forms lack the little things that the "pure" classes have, e.g.  fire/frost ward, vanish, invis, mana gems / evocation, poisons etc.

Beardstorm wrote:

It's fine that moonkins and cats do the same damage as rogues / mages though since their forms lack the little things that the "pure" classes have, e.g.  fire/frost ward, vanish, invis, mana gems / evocation, poisons etc.

Not really if you ask me, ok they can do some dmg but not equal since we cant get out the form and heal us up

root --> heal
cyclone --> heal
buuut you don't have to heal when in bear

Enimusha wrote:

I beat mages in single target dps, i have higher crits than mages, and yes i have higher armor than mages... so i guess i'll be expecting a nerf.

Hmm... I dont have damage meters installed atm, but I'd like to compare this. Ofc I've got better gear than You (dmg-wise, +940 fire/arcane damage, around 25%), but I'm 44/17/0 specced atm and, you know, I really doubt You can outdamage a arcane blast specced mage in a short fight. My Arcane blasts crits around 2,8k with trinkets. Fully charged, it's 1,5 sec cast.

That is in a fight that would last around, lets say, 2 minutes. If it lasts more than 3 minutes, there's no point comparing imo, cos invis + evo + mana gems > all.

So - in heroic instances, when we all drink up after each pack, when we have time to regen, and we both go all out on each pack, You'll have imba fun and maybe it's true that you can keep up with mages, but then, the conditions are a little bit artificial.

BTW whats your highest crit?

Yeah, that is true that mages are way more mana efficent like i said earlier and i cant out damage you when you have 25% more +damage. I think we can just all agree that mages > oomkins in overall dps. Thats what you guys are made for.

My Starfire crits up to 3800 (3 second cast) and Wrath crits up to 2300 (1.5 sec cast) and when affected by natures grace its 0.5 second less cast time.

Anyway, this thread went way off topic about damage bragging and "my class > your class". Lets keep on QQing the druid nerfs now.

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EDIT: FFS someone pls fix that linkz0r!

Last edited by sweter (2007-02-27 02:01:03)

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