The Enigma Order

yes, buff druids imo

Apox wrote:

That's why druids can solo HC.

o rly?

Apox wrote:

Yeah, as I said, druids truly need their buffs. (lol @ rattlegore who seems harder than the TBC bosses)

That's because I wasn't wearing any gear when I did him

A buff? So now you 1-shot warriors right ^^?

Ps. lol at video ^^ that's just.. Nice

Last edited by Sarcon (2007-10-09 02:18:29)

btw Xzar, how much of your gear is arena gear, or has +healing against some of the bosses in those solo vids?
I tried solo The last boss in Ramparts, using my tank gear, and i had to use a pot to outheal the dmg i took from him.
Currently i have the +healing from my BG bracers.. thats it xD

In the video I used a combination of tanking and dps gear. I think I was wearing Veteran's Bracers, Merciless Gladiator's Maul, and Gladiators pants. I didn't have much +healing gear on, perhaps about +100 or something.

The key for me was to find a balance between tanking and dps gear. Also, be very fast at moving out of the fires he places on the ground. That's the main source of damage (at least when I fight him).

I don`t think feral druids need to be buffed.
Just look at them:
They can do dps all the instance-thrash (while increasing other melee dps while they are doing so), and offtank on bosses when needed. Can a rogue do this? Can a paladin do this? Can a (prot) warrior do this?

Now tell me why feral druids need to be buffed.

Mojorising wrote:

Druids lack better scaling with our finishing moves in catform. We need stun abilities along side alot of other changes, to make us viable in arenas etc.
And this is not only feral druids. Balance druids have a hard time as well.

Stun abilities? Cyclone is one of the most powerfull CC ability in the game, why would anyone take a rogue in pvp, when they can get a druid with stun abilities, who can heal a bit when needed?

Tbh I think druids are fine, they are usefull in PVE, great in PVP, but they will have to spec for it.

Boltan wrote:

before any druid is given (more) stun abilities, shamans are the first in line for a CC

take a number and get in line!

and yes ferals are quite competent in arena already just ask mojorising (we kept winning today when I didnt noob around, remember? I even remember him winning some 1v2 after I went down in the blink of an eye).

about scaling it is true endgame weapons are making some classes more powerful than others. but in no means druids are alone in the slower bus.

I can say very little about the scaling of weapons, and maybe druids do need a buff on that particular area. I just want druids to be a jack of all trades (master of none or something);

And a question: did you mean 2vs2 arena? What are your specs (I guess resto/feral)? And what teams did you beat?

Apox wrote:

So if a epic warrior is killed by a epic warlock, the warlock is more skilled?

This has nothing to do with class balance, this is about druids. We are very strong when we first hit 70. This was because the majority of players didnt have the gear that they have now, that scales way better than ours. Thats why a feral druid mostly needs better gear, or better skills to down an opponent.

Shadowkami wrote:

I don`t think feral druids need to be buffed.
Just look at them:
They can do dps all the instance-thrash (while increasing other melee dps while they are doing so), and offtank on bosses when needed. Can a rogue do this? Can a paladin do this? Can a (prot) warrior do this?

Now tell me why feral druids need to be buffed.

Mojorising wrote:

Druids lack better scaling with our finishing moves in catform. We need stun abilities along side alot of other changes, to make us viable in arenas etc.
And this is not only feral druids. Balance druids have a hard time as well.

Stun abilities? Cyclone is one of the most powerfull CC ability in the game, why would anyone take a rogue in pvp, when they can get a druid with stun abilities, who can heal a bit when needed?

Tbh I think druids are fine, they are usefull in PVE, great in PVP, but they will have to spec for it.

Druids need better scaling on our abilities in catform because we simply dont offer enough dps when you come to the very last part of this game; BT and MH.. at that point other classes gears are doing alot of difference in their performance output, where druids dont really gain that much more.

Why are you comparing druid class to other classes.. Mages can sheep.. can rogues do that? can palas or prot. Warriors? - the way our class is build have nothing to do what with im saying. - And if the other classes could do dps on trash and offtank at bosses, why bring a druid?

And about cyclone.. thats not an feral ability. Im talking something that makes catform more survivable.

Boltan wrote:

before any druid is given (more) stun abilities, shamans are the first in line for a CC

take a number and get in line!

and yes ferals are quite competent in arena already just ask mojorising (we kept winning today when I didnt noob around, remember? I even remember him winning some 1v2 after I went down in the blink of an eye).

about scaling it is true endgame weapons are making some classes more powerful than others. but in no means druids are alone in the slower bus.

If you saw what i was doing, you would notice that there are just as much casting spells in my playstyle, as im beeing in forms. Only at rare times i get to stay in catform and dps a target down. And if i face 2 opponents and kill them, they are most of the time low on health, and not working together. I tend to use quite a bit of my tankgear in Arenas to gain survival against those melee classes, but that also meens im a easy target for casters. You will always see on a druid if he plays aggressive (in cat) or defensive (bear)

but to get back on topic, yes, druids are not the only ones scaling terrible, melee shamans too are very poor in Arenas.

xzar wrote:

I think one of our problems in arena is that - apart from healing - we don't really have anything to offer that another class can't do better. And before you all shout "omg cyclone!" keep in mind that:
- it has a shorter duration than most other forms of crowd control
- it will only cc an enemy for ~10 seconds in total before we hit immunity
- as a feral druid you are pretty much crowd controlling yourself as well when focusing on keeping an enemy cycloned
- you can trinket out of it

Undispellable, yes, but how often do you get 6 second cc's dispelled anyway? How many of you paladins and priests risk a global cooldown on a short cc that cc's but also protects your party member from taking further damage?

Yea, i can only agree here. I cant see how cyclone can be more imba, than e.g sheep or blind. both can be broken with trinket, but with both sheep and blind, you can start dps when you feel like it, and not waste precious seconds waiting for the duration to end.
Why do you think you get cycloned that much by druids? thats because thats 80% of what we can give our arena team...

And about having to offer anything to the team. This is why i want more survivability to the catform. that would meen more direct dmg, and not the loss of a dps class on the arena team, as it is now, when every time someone is looking at a druid, we have to run away, or go bearform to counter the massive attack, weakening our dps by alot compared to every other dps class.